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oskar
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05-04-2010, 02:19 PM
Post subject: bluffing rivers multi-way IP
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Let's say there's an MP limper who's 25/10, you iso from the CO for 4.5x with  
BB, who is 20/5 calls, limper calls. Both will c/c any isd or better, overcards with an Ace and any pair at least on the flop.
Flop: (3 players) pot: 14bb
  
check, check, check
Turn: (3 players) pot: 14bb
check, check, check
River: (3 players) pot: 14bb
check, check, Hero: ?
Let's assume they will c/c any pair except for 8x, 99+ which they would have lead the river with, but they will fold Ace high or worse to a 10bb bet.
What if we have KJ?
I can solve that now with a pen and a piece of paper, but the real interesting part would be how the hell do I do that during the hand.
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Fnord
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The problem with bluffing the river vs the turn in spots like this is the lack of implied threat. However, if the other two players have given up and have no inclination to "keep you honest" or "see what you have", then a river bet picks up the pot.
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River bet makes no sense. Some of your opponents will usually look you up with a small pair here.
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oskar
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I made the hand up, and I specifically said that all pairs will call.
The question is if it's worth betting to fold out Ax, Kx, Qx, and where the tipping point is for a hand that is better to show down with than to bet as a bluff.
On the other hand If you expect to get looked up by any A-high even, it would be fun to find how wide you can bet highcard hands for value.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
The problem with bluffing the river vs the turn in spots like this is the lack of implied threat.
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I tried to make the turn as bad a spot to delayed c-bet as possible 
I'm really only interested in the river.
Anyway... I'm lazy so I just mashed it into stoxEV, but their copy protection is giving me crap again and I can't do EV runs. As soon as they send me a working regkey I will run it through. I think JT might be a bet where KJ might be better to show down. But that's just my feeling and how I would play it. I never tested it.
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just overbet ull get folds 90% of the time these guys r level 1 aNYway forget what u rep and also if they had a hand surely someone would have bet by now after third chec
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oskar
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It's an option. idk if it's really the best one when the river pairs. I think at least MP is very tempted to call any pair anyway.
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Just bet halfpot - They will fold the as often as they have to for it to be profitable
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