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Old 01-10-2005, 12:13 AM     Post subject: Betting with over cards. #1 (permalink)  
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So here I am with AQo, a few come along preflop and rags come out. I pet the bot to see what's up and with the one caller I figure he's gotta have a pair, so I fold when the turn gives me no help.

How would YOU play this.
guy sat down about 2 rounds ago, no infos but I'd say after the fact he's pretty tight.

Started at 09/Jan/05 20:04:59

eagle6 is at seat 0 with $41.41 (sitting out).
suzie79 is at seat 1 with $8.97.
wildbelle is at seat 2 with $6.90.
skizeer2003 is at seat 3 with $6.05.
roncho is at seat 4 with $9.90.
BIGTAU is at seat 5 with $8.
TeeBird is at seat 6 with $38.69.
LH-GT3 is at seat 7 with $8.83.
CCRIPhtoGy is at seat 8 with $9.60.
chowesr is at seat 9 with $15.15.
The button is at seat 0.

suzie79 posts the small blind of $.05.
wildbelle posts the big blind of $.10.

suzie79: Ad Qs
wildbelle: -- --
skizeer2003: -- --
roncho: -- --
BIGTAU: -- --
TeeBird: -- --
LH-GT3: -- --
CCRIPhtoGy: -- --
chowesr: -- --

Pre-flop:

skizeer2003 calls. roncho calls. BIGTAU folds.
TeeBird folds. LH-GT3 calls. CCRIPhtoGy folds.
chowesr calls. suzie79 raises to $.35. wildbelle
calls. skizeer2003 folds. roncho calls. LH-GT3
folds. chowesr folds.

Flop (board: 6d 2h 9h):

suzie79 bets $1.35. wildbelle folds. roncho calls.


Turn (board: 6d 2h 9h 3s):

suzie79 checks. roncho bets $1. suzie79 folds.
roncho is returned $1 (uncalled).



Hand #3912452-2732 Summary:

$.20 is raked from a pot of $4.05.
roncho wins $3.85.
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Old 01-10-2005, 02:21 AM #2 (permalink)  
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If you're going to sell AA or KK, you've got to continue firing on the turn. You've still got an outside chance of making a winning pair if he does flat call again.

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Old 01-10-2005, 03:29 PM #3 (permalink)  
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It's not worth trying to sell AA or KK anyway, a lot of players at this level won't pick up on it, in my experience.
Roncho may have been a fish on a flush draw, but he's still got a better out count than your draw. Or he is smooth calling with an overpair or trips. Hard to say, so it's definitely a check/fold situation. Out of position, save yourself the cash on the flop and don't throw out that $1.35 on a semibluff, especially if he called your pot sized preflop raise.
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Old 01-10-2005, 03:55 PM #4 (permalink)  
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It's not worth trying to sell AA or KK anyway, a lot of players at this level won't pick up on it, in my experience.
Amen.

I've gotten myself into a lot of trouble trying this sort of play in low limit... If you have position and raised preflop I think it is worth a stab. With a call and unimproved I'll check behind or fold to a bet. Check/Fold the river if you don't hit. It's not worth trying to rep anything on most of these people.

I'd recommend that you save betting like you have AA/KK for when you do. You'll be amazed how many times you get called down. Also, I avoid semi-bluffing unless I know I am up against a decent opponent heads-up or have a draw I'll hit 50% of the time. You loose a lot of folding equity in the low limits against random opponents.

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Old 01-10-2005, 05:07 PM #5 (permalink)  
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So in this scenario I'm better off to check the flop and see if there's a bet, or just throw a smaller bet out and see what happens ?

This is a fairly common scenario, having great over cards and getting a rag flop - how do you guys usually play this.
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Depending on what you think of the player.

If he loose or overlay aggressive, I'd say this: it's a check on the flop. If he puts out a weak bet, re-raise. If he puts out a pot sized bet, fold. If he checks behind, you might consider betting the turn.

If he's tight/weak, I'd say this: Bet on the flop, but smaller. Maybe 1/2 pot sized bet. If he calls, proceed with caution (ie, check and fold the turn to any sizable bet). If he raises, fold.
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Old 01-10-2005, 05:59 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Depends on the number of players in the hand. 1 other player, it might be worth a stab if you raised pre-flop. loose player or 2+ I'll check it. Just remember it is essentially a bluff at the pot and if you are played back at you should usually get out.

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