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Murd0c

11-29-2005, 07:52 PM Post subject: Beat by higher trips on the turn

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Heya all. I was playing a ring game earlier this morning of NL Hold em for $2 buy-in at Paradise. After a bit I had tripled up to about 6.70 I believe, when I got dealt pocket twos.

Flop was something like 2 8 A rainbow. So I figured I'd slow play my set and allow another card. Myself and another call a raise of about a third the pot from someone who I'd assume had a pair of aces.

Turn comes 4 and gives a possible flush draw to someone. It gets checked to me so i make a pot sized bet and get reraised. I then reraise all in. The initial bettor on the flop folds but guy who had reraised me instantly called.

River comes blank. My opponent had trip fours to my trip twos.

Should I have played this differently?

Sorry its not the exact hand history I'll try to get that up in a bit.

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lolzzz_321

11-29-2005, 07:56 PM

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No, played fine.

11-29-2005, 09:04 PM

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Nope. Set over set happens. Take your medicine here, because most of the time you're going up against Ax.

siknd

11-29-2005, 09:21 PM

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i dislike the idea of giving free cards 'to build the pot'. the way to build a pot is to put money in the center yourself. ESPecially with small sets. either someone has top pr or they dont. if you get too cute, youll either win a small pot, give away betting patterns or allow drawouts.

same for flopped flushes. the reason i love to jam in these cases, is that if a fourth suited card falls off, your action will dry up faster than... well, fast. be afraid that a scare card will fall off and chase your action. plus, betting out will disguise your hand. if they have nothing, they have nothing. whatever. take the small pot.

same idea for slowplaying aces or kings preflop. there is so much potenial when there are five cards to come, and a lot less once the flop is out. what i mean is, if you flat call a raise from AK with AA, and the board comes QQ8 or 567suited, youve lost an opportunity to stick it to the hand that is now almost worthless.

'If you think a weakness can be turned into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that's another weakness. '

Murd0c

11-29-2005, 10:10 PM

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Game #1121415207 - (blinds $0.01/$0.02) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/11/29-12:18:45.6 (CST)
Table "Cat Island" (real money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Seat 4: sweetkvisten ($0.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Murd0c ($6.42 in chips)
Seat 6: Icedtea ($4.73 in chips)
Seat 8: JOttery ($2.53 in chips)
Seat 9: twkelly ($3.75 in chips)
Seat 10: MSAGSK ($2.65 in chips)
Icedtea : Post Small Blind ($0.01)
JOttery : Post Big Blind ($0.02)
Dealing...
Dealt to Murd0c [ 2d ]
Dealt to Murd0c [ 2s ]
twkelly : Call ($0.02)
MSAGSK : Call ($0.02)
Murd0c : Raise ($0.06)
Icedtea : Call ($0.05)
JOttery : Fold
twkelly : Call ($0.04)
MSAGSK : Call ($0.04)
*** FLOP *** : [ 2h Tc Qd ]
Icedtea : Check
twkelly : Check
MSAGSK : Check
Murd0c : Check
*** TURN *** : [ 2h Tc Qd ] [ 4h ]
Icedtea : Bet ($0.20)
twkelly : Fold
MSAGSK : Call ($0.20)
Heres the full history

Murd0c : Raise ($6.36)
Icedtea : Call All-in ($4.47)
MSAGSK : Fold
*** RIVER *** : [ 2h Tc Qd 4h ] [ 9c ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $9.35 | Rake: $0.45
Board: [ 2h Tc Qd 4h 9c ]
pantanal didn't bet
sweetkvisten didn't bet
Murd0c bet $6.42, collected $1.69, net -$4.73 (showed hand) [ 2d 2s ] (three of a kind, twos)
Icedtea bet $4.73, collected $9.35, net +$4.62 (showed hand) [ 4d 4s ] (three of a kind, fours)
JOttery lost $0.02 (folded)
twkelly lost $0.06 (folded)
MSAGSK lost $0.26 (folded)

siknd

11-29-2005, 10:49 PM

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no offence, but i think that every street was played incorrectly.

preflop, never mind the fact that you are in position, raising with deuces is not a great play. assuming that there are no overpairs, you are 50-50 and can start dividing that lower by the number of callers.

flop, as discussed.

turn, as per flop. should be putting money in the middle, value raise.

river. you cant forget about pot odds. you need to put him on a hand, and bet accordingly. id be afraid of losing the call if i bet more than the pot. you are forcing him to call with the nuts or one of the top 3 possible hands by making this bet. 95% of the time you will lose any value from top pair and probably two pair, and 5% of the time you will lose to the straight (the KJ open ender is a real possiblity the way it was played) or a higher set.

just my opinion.

'If you think a weakness can be turned into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that's another weakness. '

lolzzz_321

11-29-2005, 11:33 PM

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Preflop: Meh, 6 players raising is borderline
Flop:I'd like to see a bet since u rasied preflop at least thats what I do, but u flopped a VERY strrong hand.

The rest:You got two outted, life sux.

Murd0c

11-30-2005, 01:03 AM

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I think I see my error now. Betting on the flop definately could have prevented this. Thx much for the advice.

Fnord

11-30-2005, 01:12 AM

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I raise 22 pre-flop and am rather happy with how that play fits into my game.

Checking this flop is horrible. We built a pot pre-flop, worse hands are playing for stacks and there still is a lot of money behind. At least a 1/2 pot bet here because you're obviously stealing the pot with a c-bet DUH!

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TalentedTom

11-30-2005, 03:08 AM

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if you don't go broke trips vs trips then you are playing it oncorrectly, its all good untill you lose 4 buy ins within 1 hour trips vs trips, then your overpair gets sucked out 3 times after that

Tom.S

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