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Renton

06-25-2006, 10:25 PM Post subject: bd flush

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***** Hand History for Game 4592036762 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, June 25, 18:11:31 ET 2006
Table Table 96118 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: JGARCIAM71 ( $481.41 )
Seat 6: aftershock16 ( $172.95 )
Seat 8: rivertigger ( $316.30 )
Seat 10: dazor23 ( $144.55 )
Seat 9: Beelzeboz0 ( $200 )
Seat 3: Persa_B ( $192 )
Seat 2: SteveGenius ( $189.60 )
Seat 7: cferejohn ( $209.35 )
Seat 5: toledo123 ( $171 )
Seat 4: designmore ( $76 )
cferejohn posts small blind [$1].
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rivertigger is sitting out.
Beelzeboz0 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ 3d 7d ]

dazor23 folds.
JGARCIAM71 calls [$2].
SteveGenius folds.
Persa_B folds.
designmore calls [$2].
toledo123 folds.
aftershock16 folds.
cferejohn calls [$1].
Beelzeboz0 checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 9d, 7h ]

cferejohn checks.
Beelzeboz0 checks.
JGARCIAM71 checks.
designmore checks.

** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]

cferejohn bets [$7].
Beelzeboz0 calls [$7].
JGARCIAM71 calls [$7].
designmore calls [$7].

** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]

cferejohn checks.
rivertigger has left the table.
Beelzeboz0 checks.
JGARCIAM71 bets [$50].
designmore folds.
cferejohn folds.
Beelzeboz0 raises [$100].

minraise and fold to a push?

is this standard?

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bdawg56kg

06-25-2006, 11:47 PM

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I'd just lead the river for 25 and call a raise. What made you think someone was going to bet after you checked? As played, I would just call the 50. I don't see a whole lot of value in raising.

the nutz

06-26-2006, 11:53 PM

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I would have folded on the turn.

You weren't getting the odds to draw the flush.

Plus, with two players to act behind you and you have no information on their hands at all, they are more likely either going to raise or fold, not call.

Genitruc

06-27-2006, 01:43 AM

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Genitruc is an unknown quantity at this point

turn call is fine w $ in pot and 15 outs imo.

I'm still a noob, but I don't understand the "minraise-fold to a push" line I see a lot of ppl take w 2nd best hands on river. Why is this? Is it because a lot of 3rdbest and 4th best hands are priced into the hand by the minraise but hands that beat us push?

What is the big diff between check-minraising and making a blocking bet?

If you check to induce a bluff, why reriase?

This is a confusing line to me.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Renton

06-27-2006, 01:52 AM

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I checked the river because there was a reasonable chance that someone had a one card str8. A one card str8 would just call a lead bet, so I figured to extract max value vs this hand I would check/valueraise.

Genitruc

06-27-2006, 01:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

but then fold to push getting great odds on your money?

i guess... since a push is most likely a better flush. hmm. i haven t played a ton of nl200 of party but I've seen ppl play a shitload of it. I've quite often seen ppl push w 2pair/str8 on boards like this. Still not sure I like folding to the push with more than 1/2 your stack invested. i m prob just an overaggro donk though.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Roco415

06-27-2006, 02:12 AM

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yeah i wouldnt have stayed in the hand on the turn because of the lack of odds. you can make the argument of implied odds, but ur drawing to possibly like the 10th best straight if that...what was the result of this hand?

Roco415.

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