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nutsinho
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10-29-2006, 04:05 AM
Post subject: BB special turns into a 'specially tough spot
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4-of-a-Kind
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400nl, i have like 360 and villains cover.
4 way to the flop, i have 75o in the BB. Flop 754 two clubs. I pot it for 18$, loose donk calls in mp, solid player behind him makes it $61 to go. No reads on this guy other than solid yet quiet/unspectacular. What's my play?
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Blinky
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Tough spot. Remember I'm a 100NL guy and I believe that 400NL is a different ballgame...
I assume SB folded?
Do we have an idea of how often solid player limps and what types of hands he's limping? For instance, is s/he capable of limping 68 or something like that?
I probably call the raise... reevaluate on the turn. My goal would be to show down for a reasonable price if the rest of the board doesn't get too scary. I quit if a club falls.
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
We will not support your pocket pair aggression.
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nutsinho
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i dont thinks he's limping 68s in mp.
No other thoughts?
This is a tough spot. If I call, what do I do when the turn is Js? How about 2c? What are the merits of 3betting to 140 and calling a push? 3betting to 140 and folding to a push (I think this sucks)?
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Miffed22001
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fold
find a better spot.
Its pretty weak but then if were playing a tough player we dont want to be pot building oop with a semi-strong hand on a draw-heavy board.
Also, i think we can put our solid player on a pp if hes limped in behind a donk.
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mcatdog
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You didn't tell us anything about what your image is at this table and I don't think it's possible to answer this question without knowing that. If you've been taking stabs at a lot of pots there's no way you can fold top two pair here unless this guy is the nittiest of nits. If you've been playing like a nit yourself then folding is probably the best course of action I think.
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nutsinho
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I do take a lot of stabs. And I didn't fold...
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Blinky
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Hm...
With my line (calling flop reraise), I would tend to lead turn on a blank and check to see the action on the turn on a card like 2c.
What makes it trickier is the loosetard guy that still is to act behind you. Potting it didn't stop him and if he's really that loose postflop, I don't want to have such a huge pot 3-handed OOP with such a vulnerable hand.
Flat calling the raise helps control the size of the pot and, without doing the math, I think leaves us room to get away whilst 3-betting makes it harder to drop and probably leaves us stuck if we lead the turn.
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Thanks for the info about taking shots at pots. It helps. If the solid dude is an observant player and has started challenging your pot purchases, 3-betting makes a lot more sense. Some hand that gives him a draw (66? 88? made hand+draw?!) doesn't seem unlikely here.
That said, I still prefer calling and seeing what middle dude does.
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
We will not support your pocket pair aggression.
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