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Old 12-15-2009, 01:22 AM     Post subject: barrelling both giving and receiving end in sb vs lp stealer #1 (permalink)  
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i'm trying to play poker in these two hands when calling from blinds vs lp opener.
hand 1: opener is a regular running 14/11/2.9 with 31% ATS and 52% cbet. I took the initiative and Kept barreling until the river. His calling range seems pretty weak. Can his range stand any heat here facing a big trip barrel? BTW, i can have lots of nut hands in my range.
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UTG+1 ($97)
MP1 ($115.10)
MP2 ($105.50)
CO ($109)
Button ($100)
Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($100)
UTG ($103.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, J
5 folds, Button bets $3, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7) 8, 5, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls $4

Turn: ($15) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10

River: ($35) 5 (2 players)
Hero ?

hand 2: villian is a good regular running 15/13/3.2 with 44% ATS and 6% 3 bet. His river AF is 1.4. I think that his range on the river is polarized. Why did he pot river vs a seemingly weak c/c range? Apparently, i dont have any nut hands in my range from the villian's perspective. However, i did hero call a few times with TPGK vs a few spewy regulars.:P
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Button ($123.65)
Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($100)
UTG ($97.50)
UTG+1 ($17.90)
MP1 ($38.85)
MP2 ($108.20)
CO ($40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, J
3 folds, MP2 bets $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($9) J, 8, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($21) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $15, Hero calls $15

River: ($51) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $42, Hero ?
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Old 12-15-2009, 01:47 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 H1 betting the turn isn't that credible imo, check and lead river if you wanna bluff here you can rep a wider range going for thin value, or you could just give up..

H2 I dunno what your reads are, AF of 1.2? how often is he barreling?
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H1 betting the turn isn't that credible imo, check and lead river if you wanna bluff here you can rep a wider range going for thin value, or you could just give up..

H2 I dunno what your reads are, AF of 1.2? how often is he barreling?
H2: no history.Another reg with similar stats got caught bluffing ip when I c/c big bets 3 streets with TPGK without any history the other day.So I probably lean towards a calling station these days His river huge bet looks like he wants me to fold????
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 H1 I just don't get what the small donkbet is trying to rep, or how that equates to "a lot" of nut hands. I've been out of the game for a little while, so maybe you can explain your thought process to me for my benefit.

H2- I don't see how this is anything but a fold. You hero calling w/TP and him betting into you three streets seems to rep a hand > yours to me.
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H1 I just don't get what the small donkbet is trying to rep, or how that equates to "a lot" of nut hands. I've been out of the game for a little while, so maybe you can explain your thought process to me for my benefit.

H2- I don't see how this is anything but a fold. You hero calling w/TP and him betting into you three streets seems to rep a hand > yours to me.
hand 1:this is why we have to trip barrel on the river given our bet sizing. I do think that we rep sets,straights and over pairs and that villian doesn't have nut hands in his calling range IMO.Meh, I just chickened out and he showed J8s. WTF I played like a scared girl
Hand 2:You don't think that his river PSB is soooo suspicious vs an obvious weak calling range?
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Old 12-16-2009, 04:16 AM #6 (permalink)  
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H1 betting the turn isn't that credible imo, check and lead river if you wanna bluff here you can rep a wider range going for thin value, or you could just give up..

H2 I dunno what your reads are, AF of 1.2? how often is he barreling?
H2: no history.Another reg with similar stats got caught bluffing ip when I c/c big bets 3 streets with TPGK without any history the other day.So I probably lean towards a calling station these days His river huge bet looks like he wants me to fold????
yeah i dunno, its pretty much a huge leveling war if he knows u know he knows ur perceived range is marginal hands

for h1 when u lead the flop make it at least 5 if u wanna rep a hand
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 hand 1: what straights do you have in your range preflop? of those how many would you credibly believe you are leading as a semibluff?


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Old 12-17-2009, 04:48 PM #8 (permalink)  
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hand 1: what straights do you have in your range preflop? of those how many would you credibly believe you are leading as a semibluff?
I'm probably way off here Maybe we c/r and follow up on the turn? Hmmm,I just don't want to give up easily vs villian's weak range.
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 Hand 1 looks OK and I would definitely fire the river big here.

hand 2 is a fold preflop and fold now
 
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