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Old 02-12-2009, 04:31 AM     Post subject: a balancing act, multi-street bluff 100nl #1 (permalink)  
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 i've been thinking about balancing a bunch recently - i didn't write an article/definition for nutsinho's comp cos i got bored while trying to write about it - probably because i'd read too much on the topic...

three things that stuck were:
1) the focus on being able to adjust to exploity our own image by representing an incredibly narrow range
2) that pure bluffs could effectively contribute to your balanced range e.g.
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Originally Posted by meeloche defining balance
Taking the same line as a bluff as you would for value
i had been spending too much time merging semi-bluff and value lines - which is somehow different to polarisation. Redzilla spent a bunch of time discussing polarisation with me a while ago - and despaired at my mangling of the distinction between polarisation and balance.
3) that my balancing had been predominantly on the flop, with some turn balancing thrown in. But that i hadn't sufficiently explored multi-street balancing/bluffing

i have dropped back to simple pre-flop play and 14-tabling for a while and, armed with my newly found inspiration, am going to address multi-street balancing. This requires solid reads and history, and an understanding of my image and just a tiny bit of level 2 manipulation. I'm also learning the value of the W$SD% stat....

Here is an example - is this good, or ridiculous spew?
Villain is a winning tag-nit reg against whom I have a bunch of history. He's 14-9 over 2.2k hands and has a fold to c-bet of 63%. A major leak is his W$SD% stat - he is at 65%, which is I perceive as very exploitable. He doesn't have a flush draw here much after the turn - unless he also has AdKd.

He sees me as a bit tilty/spewy with interesting pre-flop ranges (e.g. this hand) and flop lines (he's been at some of my "experimental" tables) , but has seen me block a lot of rivers and shove a lot of nut hands.

My line here looks about exactly like QQ/KK - i may even check AA behind here, and he knows it. He may find a call with AQ, but i doubt it - he may even fold AdKd cos he's a nit. Thoughts? am i just finding another excuse to spew?

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UTG ($85)
UTG+1 ($146.05)
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Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 2
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, 1 fold, SB calls $5, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($18.50) Q, 7, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $10, SB calls $10, 1 fold

Turn: ($38.50) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $21, SB calls $21

River: ($80.50) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $63.50 (All-In),
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 02-12-2009, 05:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 no time to read ur essay, but preflop is gross, and running bluffs with no outs is also gross
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:33 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 One thing I see people forgetting is how to play good, solid poker. This is the exact opposite and pretty horrendous everywhere.
 
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:15 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah, horrible. But it's good that you're trying to open up your game! I would suggest getting a coach to explain to you what balancing really means as you clearly don't understand it.
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Old 02-12-2009, 12:15 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 is the turn really all that bad?
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Old 02-12-2009, 05:12 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 why would you check back AA?
My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
 
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:35 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I would suggest getting a coach to explain to you what balancing really means as you clearly don't understand it.
yeah, if i do decide to stop working to play poker for a year then i'll be considering the coaching thing. I understand a little of balance, this post was partly a note that i don't think the one-liner i quoted in the opening post is entirely accurate.

Re turn play, surely the king is the perfect card to barrel here?

as for checking back AA - that would be a sometimes thing, although against this villain I wouldn't. Villain won't distinguish between my showdown value checks against river check-raise types and how I would play against him - this read simply states that his hand is non-nut, cos he would be leading for value.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 02-12-2009, 09:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 my ratings of each street:
preflop 3/10
flop 6.5/10
turn 7/10
river 2/10
 
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Old 02-12-2009, 10:49 PM #9 (permalink)  
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my ratings of each street:
preflop 3/10
flop 6.5/10
turn 7/10
river 2/10
interesting. This suggests there is a 10/10 play possible for each street.

pre-flop - i guess fold is best, and that if an in position iso-range is contemplated with A2o the betsizing could be better? looking at this again, i agree i played pre-flop badly.

flop - is it the cbet or the bet sizing that is horrible here? what would be better?

turn - i'm curious as to what the best play would be here

river - i think this street is played well, given reads. He's folding AK here, and I have zero showdown value. But, obviously there is a better river line?
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:15 PM #10 (permalink)  

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its funny but i dont think anyone fold top two on river here no matter wht u rep and ur still ahead of some fd...
preflop is bad. flop is too small for my taste...
fire turn bigger and give up on river.
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I doubt he folds AdKd because you're repping a very narrow range
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:18 AM #12 (permalink)  
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preflop isnt bad, flop isnt bad. Turn and river is bad
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