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Parasurama
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01-28-2009, 01:34 PM
Post subject: ATo flops top two on BTN in 8-way pot
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Shoving Villain was FATDRUNKNSTUPID running 25/2/1 and I had already stacked him once on a different table when he overbet shoved 99 on KT75 no flush draw and I snapped with KT.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($124.50)
UTG ($81.25)
UTG+1 ($102.35)
MP1 ($9.85)
MP2 ($74.10)
CO ($65.05)
Hero (Button) ($199)
SB ($61.60)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , 10
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks
Flop: ($8) 10 , 9, A (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $8, 2 folds, UTG raises to $80.25 (All-In), 4 folds, Hero calls $72.25
It could be AA since he limped UTG but he is 25/2. I'm having trouble constructing a range since I know he might just be spite-shoving with junk or maybe even a weak draw. What do you guys think?
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kingnat
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You know he shoves stupid... so call.
Any range will be el oh el, and we'll crush cuz wez got top toooooooooooooos....
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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Deanglow
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Preflop is OK, but I prefer to raise. Yeah you gotta call
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d0zer
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I love it when villain's name is indicative of his playing style 
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bigspenda73
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I wonder why you post this with your reads
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nutsinho
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01-28-2009, 03:49 PM
Post subject: Re: ATo flops top two on BTN in 8-way pot
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
Shoving Villain overbet shoved 99 on KT75
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why is this a thread? seriously i want you to tell me why you made this thread
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Parasurama
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01-28-2009, 05:01 PM
Post subject: Re: ATo flops top two on BTN in 8-way pot
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
Shoving Villain overbet shoved 99 on KT75
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why is this a thread? seriously i want you to tell me why you made this thread |
haha well at the time I thought it was a much closer spot just because it was a limped family pot and villain was UTG. The other hand was way different though, I guess I should have posted that hand history, but on that hand his play was a semi-legitimate bluff because it didn't look like I had anything. On this hand I think it's fairly obvious that I'm literally never bluffing here and I gave him credit for being somewhat of a thinking player if only because his name seemed like a level.
The main reason that I posted this is that this was from my first session stacking the tables and relying on a HUD. I see the numbers 25/2/1 and I don't really know what to think because I haven't actually seen him play a hand the whole way through and show down. I want to get better at constructing a range based on these numbers so I wanted to see if anyone thought that his range here is like {sets, big draws} but I guess not.
Also, in the past 15K hands or so I've been getting coolered and spewing a lot so when he shoved I thought "here we go again." When I'm losing my natural instinct is to examine my play and this seemed similar to a lot of spots where I think "insta-call" and then blame it on a cooler when Villain turns up a better hand. There have been realizations in my poker life that I thought were revolutionary, interesting, or insightful that tons of players (even bad ones) have thought obvious and that I now think obvious. I wanted to keep an open mind about folding here. Maybe this was too extreme of a hand in that my hand is so strong and Villain is such a monkey, but when I'm putting money in with the worst hand so often it's very unsatisfying to blame it on variance instead of thinking about improving my play.
So to summarize:
1. I gave villain credit where none was deserved and got scared by the number of people in the pot.
2. I wanted to gain some insight into how people use HUD numbers.
3. I wanted to have an open mind about a spot that I thought was a very clear decision.
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
Preflop is OK, but I prefer to raise. Yeah you gotta call
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Yeah I would on a more weak-passive table but these guys weren't folding ever.
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nutsinho
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describe why an overbet shove with 99 on a board of KT75 was a 'legitimate play'. I am having difficulty conceiving a circumstance where this play would not be absolutely the worst option possible. I am sure that everyone is having a similar problem and as such it's very hard to take your question seriously.
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Parasurama
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describe why an overbet shove with 99 on a board of KT75 was a 'legitimate play'. I am having difficulty conceiving a circumstance where this play would not be absolutely the worst option possible. I am sure that everyone is having a similar problem and as such it's very hard to take your question seriously.
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It was semi-legitimate in the sense that it showed that he was at least thinking about what hands I could have. There's a certain level of donk thinking where you're convinced that your opponent will fold if you push all-in. So if we know that he's thinking about our range, he must be at least okay with a call, so my question is basically what is his value shoving range and how is it affected by the HUD numbers? Do we throw out the numbers when I have the history that I do? Sorry for phrasing it poorly before.
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meh, he's a monkey, you're worried about 5 combos, ez call
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daven
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01-29-2009, 08:48 AM
Post subject: Re: ATo flops top two on BTN in 8-way pot
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reads mean you gotta ship this.
99/TT both more likely than AA for a 25-2, but those reads dude
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