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boyobach
Old 08-20-2005, 03:16 PM     Post subject: Ass end straight. Fold? #1 (permalink)  

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Villain is fairly tight-passive. Seems to fold very easily against aggression.
I had been taking advantage of this leading up to this hand and had pushed him off a few pots.
Part of me thinks that he was getting annoyed with my aggression and that his big reraise was an overplayed set, but I had to fold here....didn't I?

Comments on all streets appreciated.
pocket Jacks eh?

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boyobach
Old 08-20-2005, 03:23 PM #2 (permalink)  

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Oh....I forgot the HH

***** Hand History for Game 2564334050 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 19, 23:07:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 37445 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Mr_B71 ( $15.75 )
Seat 2: necone ( $124.20 )
Seat 3: FISHLORD ( $94.50 )
Seat 4: ngawho ( $91 )
Seat 5: ninetruks ( $94.60 )
Seat 6: Motohead07 ( $19.50 )
Seat 7: MROLASKI ( $117.60 )
Seat 8: taffy_jones ( $193 )
Seat 9: Token428 ( $21.40 )
Seat 10: milklover ( $279.70 )
MROLASKI posts small blind [$0.50].
taffy_jones posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to taffy_jones [ 3d 4s ]
Token428 folds.
milklover folds.
Mr_B71 folds.
necone calls [$1].
FISHLORD folds.
ngawho folds.
ninetruks folds.
Motohead07 folds.
MROLASKI folds.
taffy_jones checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 5h, 6c ]
taffy_jones bets [$2].
necone calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
taffy_jones bets [$4].
necone raises [$10].
taffy_jones raises [$12].
necone is all-In.
taffy_jones: XXXX
taffy_jones: i have ass end of str8
>You have options at Table 14000 Table!.
taffy_jones: u MUST have 89
taffy_jones folds.
necone does not show cards.
necone wins $141.80
Token428 has left the table.
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Old 08-20-2005, 10:06 PM #3 (permalink)  
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If he's tight like you say, I think he probably has a set or and overpair.

The only hand that has you that makes sense for a tight player to have after your $2 flop bet is 9h8h. Could be though... did you see him play suited connectors kinda OOP?
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Old 08-20-2005, 10:27 PM #4 (permalink)  

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I couldn't recall from memory him playing suited connectors, but your question made me realise I can check on pokertracker what hands he has shown down.

Curiously enough, all the cards he has shown have been the standard high cards and pocket pairs apart from 8,9 OFF in Middle position.

Maybe he has a bit of a fetish for the old 8,9.

Seeing that has made me think I did the right thing.

How was the rest of my play?
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Old 08-21-2005, 08:34 PM     Post subject: Re: Ass end straight. Fold? #5 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boyobach
Fold?
No. You beat too many hands that he thinks are good here.
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Old 08-21-2005, 08:41 PM #6 (permalink)  
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yah, i think you're ahead of too much to fold here.

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Old 08-21-2005, 09:45 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Now that you've seen the pokertracker data, it may be tempting to think that the right decision here was to fold, but I think you have to make this call.

You don't know for a fact when you're in this hand that he likes to play 8 9 off a lot, so I don't think folding is good.

He probably has a set, which is what I'm thinking, so you need to savor this opportunity.

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Old 08-21-2005, 10:08 PM #8 (permalink)  

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I hear y'all, but...

When I bet the turn and he reraised, i reraised him in order to find out how much he liked his hand.

Maybe i should have raised more, but I don't think he was the kinda player to push a set with an obvious straight possible.

The purpose of my reraise was
1) to build the pot and
2) to get information

What's the point on part 2) if i aint gonna act on it?
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Old 08-21-2005, 10:29 PM #9 (permalink)  
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You shouldn't be betting for information there. You should be betting for value. It's just way to hard to put him on exactly 89 here when he could easily have tt, 55, 66, jj-aa. Number of possible hands that beat you: 1 Number of possible hands you beat: 7 + bluffs/semibluffs. Your previous aggressiveness makes this even easier.
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Old 08-21-2005, 10:48 PM #10 (permalink)  

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yeah, yeah, ok

Guess I'm out-voted.

The thing is, this hand came during one of my recent downswings.
Guess I was feeling a bit worried about losing more money.

Also, i have been stung so many times calling AIs with 2nd best hand by people "dropping the hammer", I kind of promised myself never to do it unless I am nearly certain i am best.

I usually feel that "certainty" in my the pit of my stomach first, and during this hand my stomach was screaming "HE OWNS YOU!!!"
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