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Old 05-19-2005, 10:01 AM     Post subject: AQs with 4 callers #1 (permalink)  
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#Game No : 2069410364
***** Hand History for Game 2069410364 *****
$25 PL Hold'em - Wednesday, May 18, 18:56:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 36574 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: sinky1969 ( $24.88 )
Seat 8: mwalk54 ( $16.13 )
Seat 2: pbg701 ( $17.3 )
Seat 9: armie88 ( $7.4 )
Seat 4: Gulbuth ( $19.05 )
Seat 10: METHODman420 ( $5.5 )
Seat 3: FLORIDARICK ( $6.35 )
Seat 7: madpeepers ( $8.5 )
Seat 1: peho1250 ( $31 )
Gulbuth posts small blind [$0.1].
sinky1969 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sinky1969 [ Qd Ad ]
madpeepers calls [$0.25].
mwalk54 folds.
armie88 folds.
METHODman420 folds.
>You have options at Table 36841 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36841 Table!.
peho1250 folds.
pbg701 calls [$0.25].
FLORIDARICK calls [$0.25].
Gulbuth calls [$0.15].
sinky1969 raises [$0.75].
madpeepers calls [$0.75].
pbg701 calls [$0.75].
FLORIDARICK calls [$0.75].
Gulbuth calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 2d, 7h ]
Gulbuth checks.
sinky1969 bets [$3].
madpeepers is all-In [$7.5]
pbg701 folds.
FLORIDARICK folds.
Gulbuth folds.
>You have options at Table 36841 Table!.
sinky1969 folds.
madpeepers does not show cards.
madpeepers wins $14.95


Am I wasting my time making a continuation bet from an early position when 5 people are seeing the flop ?
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Old 05-19-2005, 10:33 AM #2 (permalink)  
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You should've re-raised PFR to make that flop-bet work..
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Old 05-19-2005, 10:59 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I raised from the BB, everybody called. No chance to re-raise pre-flop.
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Old 05-19-2005, 02:48 PM #4 (permalink)  
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raise more from the bb to thin the field. the flop bet isn't so bad on such a ragged board, but i think it would be easier to play postflop if you raised more before.
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Old 05-19-2005, 03:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Sinky,

Just a note on your pre-flop raises. In this post and the last post you raised 3x BB with callers before you. You can use 3x as your standard raise if you are opening the betting, but you should adjust your raise up when their are callers before you. As an example, in the hand above you may want to raise 5x to 6x, adding in the value of the calls before you to your standard pre flop raise.

In answer to your question about a continuation bet here, I would sometimes and not others. I sure that answer really helps, right! What I mean is I would not want to get in a pattern of always making a continuation bet in these cases, but nor would I want to never make a bet here. If you always make a continuation bet in these cases and your opponents notice this, you will always get reraised. If you never make the continuation bet here, when you do have a hand and bet, people won't play back and pay you off. In this case I would lean toward making the bet. If we look at this flop, it is unlikely that anyone would have two pair and their are no straight or flush possibilities. Trips are possible, but if someone does not have trips, then either of your overcards could be good if you pair them. I would bet 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot. If re-raise I would tend to fold, just like you played the hand.

Of course, looking at the flop isn’t the only factor in making the decision. The are several other major factors, like how passive are the players in this pot and what do they think of my bets? To give an example, I was playing a while ago, and the cards came in a way that it looked like I was buying many pots with my post flop bets. I was buying the pot at times and not at others, but then one person at the table started talking about me buying another pot. I shifted gears for a while and only bet at flops which I most likely had the best hand and I leaned towards over betting them. Of course you have to switch back at sometime.
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Old 05-19-2005, 03:23 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Next time you bet the full pot when it gets to you...

OF course you bluffed into a dry pot.

Check the flop if u dont hit...

cant win everything


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Old 05-19-2005, 06:14 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 you're getting pretty close to the right price to call on the flop unless you think he's got two pair or the set... I'd have been tempted as there are no draws out so seems unlikely for a big hand to make the raise here.... but maybe he had so little left and assumed you had a hand so he put it in.

Better for the table image to show you're willing to gamble or indicate to everyone you're betting when you miss flops?
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:41 PM #8 (permalink)  
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You're not getting anyone to fold for 2x more. If you don't want to raise more PF with 4 limpers then limp and hope for well disguised monster flop.

With 5 in the pot and bad position I think a continuation bet is usually a waste. Check/fold.
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Old 05-20-2005, 07:30 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I would much prefer to just check and take a flop rather than raising and having to play A-Q out of position, especially if you're playing a lot of fish. If you hit, your hand will be well-disguised (though somewhat vulnerable), and if you miss, you can simply check-fold. You have no idea what these people are going to call you with, and most of them probably won't have the sense to lay down marginal hands if you miss and represent an overpair.

Also, since it's suited, there's less risk involved in playing this hand in a multi-way pot.

I had a hand recently where I was on the button with A-K and almost the whole table limped in, so I made a big raise, but one guy still called. On the flop I missed, but put out a very large bet, and this guy called immediately. On the turn, I hit my pair of kings and put him all-in when he checked to me. He called with 2-2 (no set) and went broke. That's how some of these people play.
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Old 05-20-2005, 07:31 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I wouldn't even follow up on the bet.

Raise more preflop anyway.

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Old 05-22-2005, 12:42 PM #11 (permalink)  
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With 10 hands and out of position, I limp in on AQs.
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Old 05-22-2005, 03:03 PM #12 (permalink)  
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i would raise more, and make a scarier post flop bet, and call that guy's all in. the pot's pretty big and you had 6 outs that would almost surely win the pot.... plus i've seen small stacks go all in with nothing plenty of times.
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Old 05-22-2005, 04:16 PM #13 (permalink)  
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i would raise more, and make a scarier post flop bet, and call that guy's all in. the pot's pretty big and you had 6 outs that would almost surely win the pot.... plus i've seen small stacks go all in with nothing plenty of times.
I don't really think you should be wasting your energy betting into 3 other people when you wiffed on a flop like that. Maybe if you had position on them all.

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