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Da GOAT

01-13-2007, 10:33 AM Post subject: AQo vs super tight opp 25NL

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Opp did absolutly nothing the whole game. stats 4/2.5/4/90 hands ish.

Hows my play regards a player like this????? should i actually fold PF?? what do you make of his checks. Isnt there NO reason for me to bet here at all???

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Hero ($28.90)
Button ($14.25)
SB ($55.40)
BB ($33.70)
UTG ($8.65)
MP1 ($9.90)
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Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, Q

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2 folds, MP2 raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 3 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) T

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MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($2.35) Q

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MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($2.35) K

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Final Pot: $50.35

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01-13-2007, 01:30 PM

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i think it's a good call since you have position and you'll be acting last for the rest of the hand. he had Jd Jx/Ax Jd? i'd be hard-pressed to call river push, since he'd have to be bluffing close to 50% of the time (and river pushes are mostly used to give an imperssion of a bluff, especially if he put you on an ace , which can be an ace of diamonds aswell - and he is bluffing lot less).

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01-13-2007, 04:22 PM

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probably make an arguement to fold preflop. Saying that id take a flop and be passive.
bet this turn.

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01-13-2007, 08:06 PM

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Call's fine given relative stack sizes. You have to bet the turn though. As played, you're only beating a bluff. He doesn't have the A, and if he doesn't have the J, then there are two cards that you'd insta call him with.

On the other hand, with such a small preflop raise/call it's almost impossible to put him on a J. He'd have more activity if he raised with any J hands. He may have JJd, but you'd think he'd bet the flop there. It's possible he has TT, and was hoping you'd bet into him, but that seems remote too.

Honestly, I'd call just because I'd be very curiuos to see what he has. Maybe it's KK?

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01-13-2007, 08:09 PM

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probably make an arguement to fold preflop. Saying that id take a flop and be passive.
bet this turn.

without trying to answer my own post this is what i thought;;

-raising range TT+,AQ+. with that said i was thinking of folding too.
-hmm i could call in position
-i can get away from TP
-its 25NL so he range could realistically be a bit wider

Miffed-when he checked flop and has a factor of 4 agg, i thought ''he think im stupid''. easy check i think??

turn Q helps me of course but what have i really gone ahead of?? AK,JJ?? i got free card to nut flush so if i get RR on a turn bet i fold. Tho he has shown weakness for the second time, hmm is he weak??

River i hope is standard

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01-13-2007, 10:07 PM

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On the other hand, with such a small preflop raise...

pfr was standard 4bb's.

goat, try not to get into the habit of calling pfr's from really tight players with AQo.

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01-14-2007, 06:08 AM

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should i actually fold PF??

Yes.

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Isnt there NO reason for me to bet here at all???

I'd bet the turn. I'd also fold the river. He may be aggressive postflop but with his preflop stats after 90ish hands he isn't a retard and isn't making this bet w/o the nuts. It's exactly how people play a SF one card hand hoping you have the Ace. I play it just like he did with the Jd and people never fold the Ace.

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01-14-2007, 01:49 PM

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On the other hand, with such a small preflop raise...

pfr was standard 4bb's.

goat, try not to get into the habit of calling pfr's from really tight players with AQo.

general thought: is this a raise/fold spot considering opps stats? Is this ever a spot to call?

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01-14-2007, 05:28 PM

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On the other hand, with such a small preflop raise...

pfr was standard 4bb's.

goat, try not to get into the habit of calling pfr's from really tight players with AQo.

general thought: is this a raise/fold spot considering opps stats? Is this ever a spot to call?

i don't know if i ever want to 3bet such a villain, but the hand probably plays easier if you 3bet it. and of course i think folding is best.

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01-14-2007, 08:05 PM

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there is one card in the deck that beats you. I call , if he has it I rebuy and play more poker.

bet on the turn

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01-14-2007, 08:16 PM

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goat, try not to get into the habit of calling pfr's from really tight players with AQo.

it did take me a sec before i called PF. i can defo see me folding in a similiar situation in future.

im amazed some say fold river here. Jd??? Pocket JJ are of course in the range but.......

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01-14-2007, 08:51 PM

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goat, try not to get into the habit of calling pfr's from really tight players with AQo.

it did take me a sec before i called PF. i can defo see me folding in a similiar situation in future.

im amazed some say fold river here. Jd??? Pocket JJ are of course in the range but.......

i don't think i could fold this

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01-14-2007, 09:07 PM

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i dont think i would ever call this river, or even come that close to calling

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01-14-2007, 09:09 PM

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you are not even getting 1.1-to-1 and you only beat a STONE COLD BLUFF

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01-14-2007, 09:11 PM

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Eww $24 to win a $26 pot. I think he has the Jd here over half the time based on your read.

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01-14-2007, 10:09 PM

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bet the turn.

i think you should definitely fold the river.
he's super tight. plus your odds suck. the only thing you beat is an outrageous bluff.

you should definitely fold the river IMO. i think he has the J way more than 50% of the time in this spot. he has the J of diamonds fro sure IMO. i'd say over 2 out 3 times.

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01-15-2007, 12:57 AM

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you guys are probably right. these are rare spots, but playing them right adds up.

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01-15-2007, 01:05 AM

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You totally got owned by a straight flush.

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01-15-2007, 07:06 AM

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there is one card in the deck that beats you. I call , if he has it I rebuy and play more poker.

bet on the turn

I am wrong, this has got to be a straight flush. fold on river

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01-15-2007, 07:38 AM

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You totally got owned by a straight flush.

Result was Opp had TT in the hole!!!!!!!!!

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01-15-2007, 07:55 AM

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You totally got owned by a straight flush.

Result was Opp had TT in the hole!!!!!!!!!

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01-15-2007, 08:04 AM

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lollllllllllllllllllllllll he plays goot!

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01-15-2007, 09:15 AM

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stupid nits folding an ace high flush.

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01-15-2007, 01:32 PM

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that's really weak/loose/out of character of his stats.
i don't think you can call here against this opp tho still.
your odds are rubbish to call. and it's a move most players with his stats will only make with the nuts wanting to get paid off big when somebody has the ace and giving up value he has against all other hands.

i think what happened here is that he got annoyed that he got punished for slowplaying and goes and makes an outrageous move.
or maybe he had a great read on you. but i still think it's a very poor play by him and next time he'll be punished for it badly.

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01-15-2007, 02:10 PM

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okay say you put opp on JJ exactly.

what do you make of his flop and turn play????

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01-15-2007, 10:41 PM

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okay say you put opp on JJ exactly.

what do you make of his flop and turn play????

very passive on the flop. he should have bet the flop with JJ.
on the turn he is scared of the Q so he checks.

any hand he has here was played badly IMO. he should have been betting his TT. he should have been betting his JJ. he should have been betting everything really.

the hand was played really badly whatever he had.

the hand doesn't make any sense at all. he's checking when he's ahead and betting when he's behind. he's slowplaying and got annoyed when he it messed up.

i don't think you can analyze his flop and turn play. you need to have very good reads on your opponent to make the river call with his stats IMO.

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01-15-2007, 11:02 PM

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goes to show what a large sample size one needs to really put a lot of faith into stats.

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01-16-2007, 01:51 AM

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I thought he had AA or KK.... that is the worst played flopped set EVAH.

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he's checking when he's ahead and betting when he's behind. he's slowplaying

Sounds like me! Although I don't usually do it on flushy boards.

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and got annoyed when he it messed up.

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01-16-2007, 01:43 PM

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Despite the results and as played, I think I'd still fold this because you barely have anything committed to this pot and JJ with Jd is quite likely.

It just doesn't seem worth is. Lay it down and take more money in a better spot.

Without betting on the turn, there just isn't any reason to play here.

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01-16-2007, 02:35 PM

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I dont think opp could have the JJ with a d tho.

his agg factor is 4 so if he had that he should of bet the flop (he didnt coz he flopped a set and wanted to sucker but i declined). i think a player of his stats WILL bet flop with JdJx just as we would with QQ,KK,AA.

it is weird that he didnt bet therefore i think he showed strength by checking (he did something out of the norm).

his shove is mad but still easy call i feel

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01-16-2007, 04:44 PM

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his moving allin showed something out of the norm. therefore showing strength. therefore you should fold. i don't like your reasoning that he must have JJ here.

also, obviously something in this hand won't make sense. why would he bet the river allin with TT. or with AA, KK, QQ or JJ? Why would he bet allin with any hand (only Jd might make sense).
Your other assumptions are not completely strong. This hand is a paradox. If you believe that all your assumptions are 100% correct then the hand contradicts itself and is a paradox. Obviously your assumptions are not written in stone.
He might have AJd here.
Also, how can you be so sure that he would bet JJ on this flop but would not bet TT? If he is willing to check TT. There is definitely a strong possibility he could check JJ+ and a wide range of hands that you'd expect him to bet.

Also, what's an aggression factor of 4? Is that a lot?
And what is: 4/2.5/4/90?
Is it vp$ip%/pfr%/aggfactor/hands?

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01-16-2007, 05:18 PM

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Also, what's an aggression factor of 4? Is that a lot?
And what is: 4/2.5/4/90?
Is it vp$ip%/pfr%/aggfactor/hands?

u got it!!

im just spit balling here with ideas. i give opp credit for been decent here (up to river anyway)

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01-17-2007, 01:56 AM

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I insta muck this preflop. The only thing I'd call with against such a nit is a pp. Dunno if that's good thinking though.

River is a pinch. I might call too, or fold.. dunno. I was in a similar situation two days ago, only he ended up having the straight flush to my A high flush.

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