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rolonrolon

02-20-2006, 10:40 PM Post subject: AQ hand: your play?

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25/9 player. Hadn't seen to much out of the ordinary.

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Hero ($408.30)
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SB ($194)
BB ($284.65)
UTG ($178)
MP ($246)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

, A

.
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($17) A

, T

, 9

(2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $276.65....????

Is this an easy fold? The only reason I'm thinking about calling is I had a pretty loose image at the table and had not missed one cont. bet.

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02-20-2006, 11:05 PM

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If you're taking it down with cont bets, then someone will eventually wait for a hand to look you up or worse.

Looks like this guy caught one - he's not afraid of AK, and the reraise allin says he's not afraid of 2 pair, which is a pretty damn good indicator that he at least has that much...most likely AT, TT, 99, AA.

Your reraise was solid enough to lead to an easy fold with one pair I think.

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02-20-2006, 11:12 PM

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Call the flop bet and re-evalute on the turn.

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02-20-2006, 11:45 PM

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I think you played the hand well. Your reraise on the flop told your opponent that you are serious about this hand. His big reraise tells you that you are beat and you must fold. What hands can you beat that this guy would be so quick to get all his chips in with AJ? unlikely any rational poker player would be willing to go broke w that same goes for KK QQ JJ etc. He likely has AT A9 AK 99 or 10s. I dont think the set is likely because thats a terrible way to play a set as it is too easy for top pair to lay it down. A set should have just called your bet and check raised the enevitable turn bet. I also dont like smooth calling unless the player is a big bluffer and will fire at this pot on the turn the other problem with smooth calling is that you are giving hands like QJ KQ etc a cheap draw at a hand that can beat you.

All things considered i think you played the hand as good as possible. I think his likely move given your loose table image is that he was overbetting his 2 pair in the hopes that you couldnt get away from top pair good kicker.

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02-21-2006, 12:36 AM

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Call the flop bet and re-evalute on the turn.

This sounds results oriented to me.

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02-21-2006, 12:39 AM

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Naturally, I called because I'm a terriable poker player.

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Hero ($408.30)
Button ($105.90)
SB ($194)
BB ($284.65)
UTG ($178)
MP ($246)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

, A

.
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($17) A

, T

, 9

(2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $276.65, Hero calls $246.65.

Turn: ($570.30) 6

(2 players)

River: ($570.30) 9

(2 players)

Final Pot: $570.30

Results in white below:
Hero has Qd Ah (two pair, aces and nines).
BB has Ad Ks (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: BB wins $570.30.

And bam, after playing solid poker, I call and say the stupid "I know I'm beat but I'm going to call." blah.

Fnord

02-21-2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alibi

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Call the flop bet and re-evalute on the turn.

This sounds results oriented to me.

I don't like turning good hands into 72o on draw heavy board, thank you. Lets turn an air-ball and see what he thinks.

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02-21-2006, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Alibi

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Call the flop bet and re-evalute on the turn.

This sounds results oriented to me.

Against a good or decent player, I very rarely raise when bet into with a flopped TPTK/TPGK, even on a draw heavy board. By calling the flop bet, hero is using his position to control the pot size as well as having the advantage of seeing how villian reacts to different turn cards. The only reasons to raise like hero did is if villian is so bad that he will pay off with AJ or less, or that hero has been so lag/maniac that opponents will play back at him with crap, or lastly if hero thinks he can move villian off a better hand. Otherwise calling is best. It's important to note that the first reason I suggested is often why plays like this can be +EV at low limits like 25NL and such, but as you move up, your opponents tend not to be that dumb.

As played, I pretty much insta-fold to the push. Even though you've been somewhat lag, it doesn't sound like it's enough to justify a call here.

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02-21-2006, 06:51 AM

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Talk about your overplayed TPTK from villain...damn good read on his part - hope he has that hand next time you have a set.

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02-21-2006, 02:54 PM

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i like a flop call
making the play on the turn.
with villain betting here there ae enough cards that can hit the turn putting opp in a difficult position with a nice hand against a Lagg oop.

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02-21-2006, 04:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alibi

Quote:

Call the flop bet and re-evalute on the turn.

This sounds results oriented to me.

No reads on villain were given, so let's just assume he's a competant player. How often do you think he leads into a solid preflop raiser on an A high flop without beating TPGK? Villain has to know AQ-AKish type hands are in hero's range. I also think I call here, expecting to either fold to a large turn bet, or keep the pot small and see a cheap/free river.

As played, the raise isn't horrible, and I may raise in this occassion from time to time (hell, give me the right player, and I fold to the initial lead...), but this is an absolute 100% insta-muck when he comes over the top for his stack. It's not close either.

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02-21-2006, 04:55 PM

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Opponent rarely does that move with something worse than 2 pair on that board...unless he is total wacko. If he's normal player I'd give it up, if he shows my his air after I folded well "nice raise sir".

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02-21-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vrax

Opponent rarely does that move with something worse than 2 pair on that board...unless he is total wacko.

is a perfectly reasonable holding for our opponent.

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02-21-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vrax

Opponent rarely does that move with something worse than 2 pair on that board...unless he is total wacko.

is a perfectly reasonable holding for our opponent.

Good point. But what if we include drawing hands to opponent's range? Will be calling profitable? Either he has us beat with 4-1 edge (AK) or we have 9-5 edge at best if he semibluffs his draw. Isn't it still -EV?

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02-21-2006, 11:06 PM

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So you're going to fold whenever someone bets into you on an Axx board after calling from the blinds in a 6-max game? I think that's a lot more exploitable than making a loose call here to make him follow through with his flop aggression.

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02-21-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Folding to opponent's donk-bet my top pair queen kicker????? Of course not. That hand deserves at least a flat-call.

Calling 120BB push is a different story- THAT what I was talking about.

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02-22-2006, 12:55 AM

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Think about the hands that you are beating at this point:

AJ - I don't see anyone in their right mind making this re-raise all in
KK - Same as AJ

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02-22-2006, 11:59 PM

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with the 9 and the 10 out there you cant even beat A 9 or A 10 which is very possible with him calling in the blind 6 handed.

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