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Old 02-23-2006, 11:52 AM     Post subject: AQ on an AKQ flop and he wants to play for 185bb #1 (permalink)  
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BB is 52/11 pre-flop, but I really haven't seen him do anything out of line post-flop.

I've been fairly aggressive, so there is the chance of this being a play-back....

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Button ($25.70)
SB ($89.65)
BB ($198.65)
Fnord ($184.60)
UTG+1 ($100.70)
MP1 ($13.95)
MP2 ($110)
MP3 ($246.55)
CO ($38.50)

Preflop: Fnord is UTG with Q, A.
Fnord raises to $3, 5 folds, Button calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($9.50) K, Q, A (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets $6, Button folds, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($21.50) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets $15, BB raises to $33, Fnord calls $18.

River: ($87.50) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $156.65 (All-In), Fnord folds.

Smooth call flop, pay-me check/raise the turn, push river.

I'm not good here often enough, right?
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Old 02-23-2006, 12:01 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Sucks to be me...

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Board: Ac Kd Qs 8s
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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 70.4545 % 64.20% 06.25% { AQs+, KQs, JTs, AQo+, KQo, JTo }
Hand 2: 29.5455 % 23.30% 06.25% { AhQh }

Then I reveiwed some hands and saw he got his stack over-playing top pair. *vommits*
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Old 02-23-2006, 01:55 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I call overbets on the end like that all day long. Of course I play at 25nl, where they are bluffing when they do that like 90% of the time. There was only like four hands that had you beat there.
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 you still can't call

this really reeks of JT and your hand is ugly
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Old 02-23-2006, 02:54 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Good fold given the action and the flop. If he's dumb enough to play for stacks with less than the straight here, you'll get paid eventually.
Did you consider raising the turn to find out where you are in the hand? Maybe that is just lighting money on fire.
I think I like your more passive approach in this instance, especially against a CR. Plenty of better hands to get aggressive with.
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Good fold given the action and the flop. If he's dumb enough to play for stacks with less than the straight here, you'll get paid eventually.
Did you consider raising the turn to find out where you are in the hand? Maybe that is just lighting money on fire.
I think I like your more passive approach in this instance, especially against a CR. Plenty of better hands to get aggressive with.
dont agree with the first part but do with the rest.
If he can beat two pair here into a preflop raiser id probably play for fnords stack.
I think you got pushed off by not reraising the turn and finding out if he really wanted to play for stacks or overplayed his hand/bluffed coz he knew you wouldnt/couldnt call on the river.
Its one of those hands where i say 'i might very well be good, but i cant call that'
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Old 02-23-2006, 04:36 PM #8 (permalink)  
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If he can beat two pair here into a preflop raiser id probably play for fnords stack.
If you play for stacks with 2 pair in this situation, I believe it is a long-term loser.
BB only has to call $2 with 3.5 to 1 on his money. I make that call with JT or JTs. He played it just like a monster in EP. Check-call the flop, and Check-raise the turn, all-in to rep bluff on river(hoping AK-AQ calls). Remember Fnord's image is loose/aggressive, so opponent isn't trying to push him off a pot, unless opponent doesn't read players. Opponent should know he needs to have a good hand cause he is likely to get called. How good of a hand does the opponent think he needs is the question?
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I don't mind the way you played it. Those who say Fnord should 3-bet the turn, I think that is just terrible. If villian is a nit, I would just fold to the turn CR. What worse hands CR you here? KQ is about the only one I can think of, and that's stretching it IMO. But given your image I would probably call and hope he shows down a hand like A J .

Like nutsinho said, this line screams nuts, and the river is an easy fold.
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Old 02-23-2006, 07:22 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Whether or not you call depends entirely on how much of a chance there is that its a playback. If he has a hand, it beats yours. So you have to think about how tiltable he is and have you put some crazy beat on him or shown him a crazy bluff recently? This is a fold unless you think hes totally lost it.
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This doesn't look like a line that wants me to fold unless he's thinking deep or flipped the spew bit on the turn. It really looks like a really bad player failing miserably at getting all the money into the center of the table with the nuts.
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