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ThorKGB
Old 11-11-2005, 10:46 PM     Post subject: Applying brakes when floppin top two pair #1 (permalink)  

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How can I not double this guy up? Where to put on the brakes and put him on kj or a set? (Sorry for the layout, cant get the converter to work 100% with PT.)

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Hero ($60.55)
BB ($20.95)
UTG ($10.35)
UTG+1 ($23.75)
UTG+2 ($24.50)
MP1 ($21.10)
MP2 ($30.95)
MP3 ($22.35)
CO ($42.25)
Button ($9.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, T.
5 folds, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 9, Q, T (5 players)
Hero bets $1.25, BB folds, UTG calls $1.25, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($3.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, UTG raises to $7.5, Hero raises to $11.25, UTG goes all-in for $8.85. ThorKGB is returned $2.40 (uncalled).

River (board: 9d Qc Th 4h Kc):

Showdown:

Hero shows Qh Td.
Hero has Qh Td Qc Th Kc: two pair, queens and tens.
UTG shows 9h 9s.
UTG has 9h 9s 9d Qc Kc: three nines.

Hand #9173935-20794 Summary:
$1.05 is raked from a pot of $21.45.
UTG wins $20.40 with three nines.
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Old 11-11-2005, 10:53 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Money isn't very deep, I get it all in every time here.
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Old 11-11-2005, 10:55 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Sets are very hard to detect…BUT, you were jamming the pot. You even bet larger than the pot on the flop and the turn. When you do that, you leave little room for the opp to tell you “you are beat, I have something better”. Because of that you couldn’t slow down. If you bet for them they have no need to raise you.

Don’t over bet the pot. They won’t raise.
Try and bet ½ to 2/3 the pot so that if they have a hand they are really proud of they can raise you.

Edit: Still, like Fnord said, two pair is not often beat by a set. Id be willing to push AI here if he decides to raise and get crazy.
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Old 11-11-2005, 10:57 PM #4 (permalink)  
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In an unraised pot, over-betting and potting it a lot are reasonable lines.
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Old 11-12-2005, 09:58 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 I don't understand the hand history. Preflop action starts with 5 folds and then an open limp from the CO. The action post-flop is between UTG who folded preflop and hero.

Alright.. after looking at it one more time, UTG obviously limps but that part was cut off. UTG only has a 40BB stack, I don't really see how you are going to get away from top 2 in this situation. The straight possibilities could give you an excuse to aim for a cheap showdown but that would be very weak IMO. KJ and J8 aren't limping UTG in a full ring game.
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ThorKGB
Old 11-12-2005, 01:54 PM #6 (permalink)  

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Sorry for my hand histories, I dont seem to get the converter to work with my PT stories 100%
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Old 11-12-2005, 08:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I'm scared of J9 here more than I am 99. But UTG has 40bbs so I'm happy that I don't have to pay him off that big.
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