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Strung
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01-24-2006, 04:05 PM
Post subject: Anyway to get away from this?
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 209
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This was an ugly one. The turn made it impossible to fold this for me. Should I just of called instead of push or do you pay this all the time?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Button ($131.05)
SB ($59.45)
Hero ($95.35)
UTG ($57.60)
UTG+1 ($46.50)
MP1 ($56.03)
MP2 ($57.60)
MP3 ($41)
CO ($0)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , 8. SB posts a blind of $0.25. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 (poster) checks, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($3.50) K , Q , 8 (8 players)
SB bets $2.5, Hero raises to $6, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button folds, SB raises to $17, Hero calls $11.
Turn: ($37.50) K (3 players)
SB bets $20, Hero calls $77.85 (All-In), SB calls $21.95 (All-In).
River: ($157.30) 5 (3 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: $157.30
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AHiltz
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Coldbrook, NS
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So he either had KQ or QQ. Pay him off.
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Bo G
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 274
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QQ are no good so the only hand beating you is KQ. Play for stacks.
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bdawg56kg
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Honolulu
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Turn is an easy push. He's obviously pot-committed, so he's calling with any kind of made hand or draw. Sure you can call, but in the rare case he is a super-lag with JT, you don't get his last $20 on the river if he misses. On the flop I would really consider folding to the 3-bet, although this depends heavily on reads. What hand 3-bets you here that you beat? Q8 is about the only one I can possibly think of, and even that is not very likely. Put it this way. Once he 3-bets you on the flop, you know you're most likely playing for stacks here. Are you willing to stack off with top and bottom pair in an unraised pot?
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Strung
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 209
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
Turn is an easy push. He's obviously pot-committed, so he's calling with any kind of made hand or draw. Sure you can call, but in the rare case he is a super-lag with JT, you don't get his last $20 on the river if he misses. On the flop I would really consider folding to the 3-bet, although this depends heavily on reads. What hand 3-bets you here that you beat? Q8 is about the only one I can possibly think of, and even that is not very likely. Put it this way. Once he 3-bets you on the flop, you know you're most likely playing for stacks here. Are you willing to stack off with top and bottom pair in an unraised pot?
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The flop 3-bet is where I was pondering this hand. I dunno, the guy was pushing lots of people around. I figured he was trying to bully top pair, so I called. Most of the time I'm folding to the three bet unless I've seen the guy play before and know.
I'm pretty sure a big bet on the turn with no K or 8 is gonna get me to fold this. The K sealed my fate though as I can't see myself folding this. Ya, he had KQ. Only hand that could of beat me.
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bdawg56kg
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Honolulu
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Strung
I'm pretty sure a big bet on the turn with no K or 8 is gonna get me to fold this.
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Tough break running into the nuts. I can't really blame you for taking a stand against the table bully, but the above quote is a very big leak. You have at most 4 outs to improve, so it's not like you're drawing to any kind of hand. If you were going to fold to a big turn bet, then just fold to the flop 3-bet. What do you think he's gonna do on the turn? Check? Bet 1/5 pot? Like I said in my previous post, once he 3-bets the flop like that, you pretty much know you are playing for stacks if you decide to continue. So looking back, I like either pushing over the 3-bet if villain is a super lag, or just calling in hopes of him overplaying a crappy hand or to keep him bluffing into you, or of course folding.
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