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Old 03-08-2007, 10:48 PM     Post subject: Another tough spot with top 2 #1 (permalink)  
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SB, I only have 9 hands on
Button is 18/3
UTG+1 is 17/10


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[color:black]Stack Sizes[/color]
UTG+1: $97.50
Hero (MP1): $142.50
MP2: $51.35
CO: $120.95
BTN: $105.50
SB: $109.65
BB: $34.75
UTG: $17

[color:black]Preflop:[/color] T J ($1.5, 8 players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, MP2 folds, CO calls $1, [color:red]BTN raises to $4[/color], SB calls $3.50, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3, Hero calls $3, CO folds

[color:black]Flop:[/color] 6 T J ($18, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, [color:red]BTN bets $18[/color], SB calls $18, [color:red]UTG+1 raises all in to $93.50[/color], [i]Hero ???
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Old 03-08-2007, 11:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I don't like the preflop call, there are better ways to open up your game than limping in early position with offsuit dominated trash.

I lead the flop, with 4-way, the pfr'er just isn't going to be betting out a ton. The fact that he's pfr of 3 makes a small argument for checking to him though i guess.

Wow this is sooooo close. Basically, in order to fold you have to put villain squarely on 66. He never limps TT/JJ. He either has 66 or a big draw. A probably fold it. argh more replies to this thread plz
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 Would UTG+1s stats and action preflop not indicate he has a set? I'd say fold this.


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Old 03-08-2007, 11:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 fold preflop.
this is an easy fold IMO.
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Old 03-08-2007, 11:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Well, button on stats probably has AK/JJ+. SB has to have at least a flush draw, but maybe something obv. no good like JX. SB by the way could be trapping with TT/JJ.

UTG+1 would have to have a super combo draw or set, because he can't think the nitty button is folding his overpair.

There is also the (small) possibility someone else holds TJ. I guess fold, because - BTN and SB have yet to speak, so that you don't know how much dead money will be there, or even how many people you have to beat.

Like the other recent "tough spot top two hand" it comes down to how agressivly people are playing their draws... my FR experience is "not that agrro", but I don't usually play above $50NL.
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Old 03-09-2007, 12:01 AM #6 (permalink)  
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fold preflop.
this is an easy fold IMO.
how is it easy when we have decent equity vs villains range, plus the added likelihood of BTN's entire stack as overlay.
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Old 03-09-2007, 12:56 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I think it would be interesting to know the button's cbet % as well. His flop bet is a little larger than usual at pot sized but it's not out of line with a c-bet, if his % though is something like 10% we can most likely put him on something like AJ or AT, if it's up around 90%+ then he more than likely has air or something usual like AQ/AK and hoping to push everyone off since it was checked around to him.

UTG+1 has one of either 66, TT, JJ or JT with that range (and fairly confident since those are mostly my stats as well) so I guess the question you have to answer is do you feel like playing $93 into a $148 pot with at most 4 outs and the potential that a J or T for your boat completes quads for UTG+1?

Add to this the possibility of the flush draw hitting and you not filling and SB's cold call of the blind raise (so most likely either floating or on the draw...perhaps T6s though given the pfr I doubt that) I would say while it is tight it's proably a laydown spot but I would also say it's probably too tight a call that either staying in or folding would be close to the correct call every time.

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Old 03-09-2007, 10:22 AM #8 (permalink)  
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fold preflop.
this is an easy fold IMO.
how is it easy when we have decent equity vs villains range, plus the added likelihood of BTN's entire stack as overlay.
well im putting UTG squarely on 66, maybe TT. Dont know about you... I think its an insta muck.
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