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Old 03-23-2006, 10:05 AM     Post subject: Another river problem that sucks #1 (permalink)  
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Opponent is kinda loose (30%ish VP$IP), passive pre-flop and bought in short (was at under $30.) Call this twice on sunday?

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Preflop: Fnord is BB with 3, 3.
4 folds, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, SB completes, Fnord checks.

Flop: ($3) 4, 3, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $3, MP3 folds, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($9) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $6, SB calls $6.

River: ($21) J (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $15, SB raises to $108...
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Old 03-23-2006, 10:07 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Ugly, but given the read, I see villain flipping over 2 pair often.
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Old 03-23-2006, 11:52 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Check-raise river with a monster? Nah. Busted flush draw.
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Check-raise river with a monster? Nah. Busted flush draw.
A check raise on the river is almost never a bluff in my experience...
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:09 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Even passive players get crazy some times. Looks like he's pissed at you for trying to run him over and wants to show you his balls.

Insta-call.
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:46 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Check-raise river with a monster? Nah. Busted flush draw.
These two are not mutually exclusive.
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Check-raise river with a monster? Nah. Busted flush draw.
These two are not mutually exclusive.
Would KT/T8 really risk a check behind?
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Old 03-23-2006, 02:49 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Check-raise river with a monster? Nah. Busted flush draw.
These two are not mutually exclusive.
Would KT/T8 really risk a check behind?
I don't get it either...and I go out of my way to understand the screwed up ways other people view this game so I can run exploitive counter-strategies.

You know you're running bad when, you think about this..... hmmm.... bigger set.... two pair.... busted flush making a really silly bluff.... gee wouldn't K T really fit the action..... but why the hell wouldn't he bet the flop or donk the kinda scary river? Yeah, it's K T Fuck it, no way I start fucking this up and start making bad laydowns on top of other crap.... I call.

He had exactly K T
Such is the amazing power of IT happening to you.
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Old 03-23-2006, 02:51 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Check-raise river with a monster? Nah. Busted flush draw.
These two are not mutually exclusive.
Would KT/T8 really risk a check behind?
donks <3 taking that risk

Making this call is about neutral EV I would say.
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Maybe he was swinging for the fences?
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Old 03-23-2006, 06:23 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I don't get it either...and I go out of my way to understand the screwed up ways other people view this game so I can run exploitive counter-strategies.
You just ran into a very dangerous 4th level thinker Sir.



(Or a donk)
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Old 03-23-2006, 06:37 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Massive overbets like these are either the nuts or air.

Observe: Guy has A8 of clubs and stacks me. I really thought he would have bet the flop with this big of a hand but sometimes its not worth trying to outthink your opponent.

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$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, March 21, 12:55:34 ET 2006
Table Table 96292 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: CupDaddy ( $213.89 )
Seat 2: bamarod1 ( $280.14 )
Seat 3: TKD_0 ( $172.49 )
Seat 5: Comberton ( $364.37 )
Seat 6: WildBobAK ( $192.60 )
Seat 4: eagojo ( $33.75 )
WildBobAK posts small blind [$1].
CupDaddy posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to WildBobAK [ Kc 5c ]
bamarod1: g1
bamarod1 calls [$2].
TKD_0 calls [$2].
eagojo folds.
Comberton calls [$2].
WildBobAK calls [$1].
CupDaddy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Qc, Ad ]
WildBobAK checks.
CupDaddy checks.
bamarod1 checks.
TKD_0 checks.
Comberton checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
eagojo: thx
WildBobAK checks.
CupDaddy checks.
bamarod1 checks.
TKD_0 checks.
Comberton checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
>You have options at El Sonador Table!.
WildBobAK bets [$6].
CupDaddy folds.
bamarod1 calls [$6].
TKD_0 folds.
>You have options at El Sonador Table!.
>You have options at El Sonador Table!.
Comberton is all-In.
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Old 03-23-2006, 10:31 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 both hands are easy calls imo
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I don't get it either...and I go out of my way to understand the screwed up ways other people view this game so I can run exploitive counter-strategies.
You just ran into a very dangerous 4th level thinker Sir.



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Naw, it doesn't have to be that complicated. I swing for the fences every once in a while just to add some unpredictability. Its like... ok, the pot is so-so now and if I win it here I have lost some money but what the heck, lets go for broke, if he bites Im in the money.
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Old 03-24-2006, 03:32 AM #15 (permalink)  
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Naw, it doesn't have to be that complicated.
j/k..
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