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Knytestorme
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07-09-2006, 03:17 AM
Post subject: Another have to make this call? thread :)
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Villan MP2 is 51/24 over 30 hands
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($23.90)
SB ($27.20)
BB ($24.20)
UTG ($15.18)
UTG+1 ($34)
MP1 ($24.75)
MP2 ($91.21)
Hero ($24.60)
CO ($42.64)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q , Q . SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, Hero calls $1, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.75.
Flop: ($4.35) 5, 2 , 2 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $1, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $4, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $3.
Turn: ($17.35) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $15, UTG folds, MP2 calls $15.
River: ($47.35) K (2 players)
MP2 is All-In ($71.21), Hero ???
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apunisher
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i would reraise pf to about 4 or 5, unless utg+1 is an absolute nit. THat makes it much eaiser to get it ai on the flop and turn
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Greedo017
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lol, at first i thought you had him covered. you've got 4 bucks left in a 50 dollar pot... i would call with one card and a sandwich
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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givememyleg
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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I would really like to see Hero re-raise preflop here.
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Knytestorme
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Yeah, I thought about the reraise but UTG+1 was like 12/2 I think , thus I put him on AK/AA/KK most likely, so was hoping to hit a set on the flop or see no A/K on it rather than get AI if he re-raised me when I was most probably 80/20 or at best 45/55.
With no help there I decided to see where I was at with the re-raise and was willing to let it go but with him just calling I figured that I was ahead.
That also is why I led out so heavily on the turn since I figured it didn't help any of them but didn't want to give odds to draw for the flush.
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Knytestorme
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Greed, what would you put villan on though that would be so passive up until that river, calling pot-sized bets all the way with, that I could beat with a (now) underpair?
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Greedo017
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
Greed, what would you put villan on though that would be so passive up until that river, calling pot-sized bets all the way with, that I could beat with a (now) underpair?
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this is something to be decided earlier in the hand.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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andy-akb
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As people have said I would most likely reraise preflop. If you are betting this turn, which I probably would, why arent you pushing? On the river with $4 left you are getting like 13:1 on your call, just call here and make a note not to leave yourself so little for the river.
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Knytestorme
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Yeah, agree there Andy, I should have just pushed the turn.
When the K hit and he pushed I was resigned to the fact he'd either been slow-playing a set or had hit his K, but if he had the set he would have just reraised me AI on the turn.
I did actually think about laying it down, but as you say he was giving me about 13:1 and I figured wth was another $5 really if I was going to have to reload anyway.
He showed 5s6s......
[EDIT]
I mean it was a decent enough spot to try a bluff on me really, but now when I had so little left behind in a pot that large so I don't quite understand it.
Again though, if I had pushed on the turn like I should have, then I wouldn't have had a decision to make I guess...then again, I most likely wouldn't have gotten paid off either, so I'm still unsure if pushing would have been the right play but I shouldn't have even had to think about laying it down on the turn if I didn't push either.
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Miffed22001
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if you hadnt played it badly preflop then it would have played totally different post flop.
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benny999
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mp2 suuuuuuuuuuuuucks. He'd have called a turn push because obviously you're bluffing overcards. And imo pf isnt bad since utg+1 is a rock. just post that in the hand history next time. and like said above, overbetting is gold against fish like this.
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Lukie
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mcatdog
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I'll never understand why people are so passive with QQ and JJ preflop and then turn into a chip-spewing spaz postflop when their hands get worse.
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Rockymv
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I'll never understand why I am so passive with QQ and JJ preflop and then turn into a chip-spewing spaz postflop when their hands get worse.
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I need to fix this leak.
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Lukie
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reraise preflop the vast majority of the time here against all but the nittiest of nits. As played, jam the flop a lot harder. We're getting better then 10:1 on this river, is this even a question? Of course call.
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