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12-08-2005, 06:52 PM
Post subject: Another hand vs Ultimate George
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George limps from EP
I raise to $4 from MP
Folded to George who LRRs to $20
I think.... call
Heads-up to the frop, $40 in the pot
T 8 5
George bets $35, I insta-muck
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arkana
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Does he know its you? What are your cards?
Fold to the preflop raise unless you guys are gunning for each other. I can't imagine him LRR that much without AA.
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Originally Posted by arkana
Does he know its you?
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Probably. He certainly knows that I'm getting a little out of line.
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What are your cards?
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Not difficult to read given the action.
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Originally Posted by arkana
Fold to the preflop raise unless you guys are gunning for each other. I can't imagine him LRR that much without AA.
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We're not at quite a deep enough level of thinking for him to likely play AA like that.
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arkana
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KK? Please dont tell me you had AK.
I dont understand why you think he can't have AA, you dont need a very deep level of thinking to try a LRR.
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JJ again for George? You have low pockets or AK?
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Originally Posted by r8ed
JJ again for George? You have low pockets or AK?
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I can't call $16 more without pretty good effective pot odds.
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Sorry, Fnord, but you have the hand history very, very wrong. Wrong parts in bold.
Ultimate George (UTG) calls $1
Fnord (button) raises $4
SB calls $4
BB calls $4
Ultimate George raises to $20
Fnord thinks...calls $20
SB and BB both fold.
POT = $48
Flop: 3 4 6 (rainbow)
Ultimate George bets $35
Fnord insta-folds
EDIT: What do I have and why did I play it this way?
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Meh, flop was a bunch of middle cards and I don't worry too much about suits heads-up.
I'm quite certain I wasn't on the button. My hand wasn't that bad....
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That makes a huge difference, now it could be a squeeze type play with medium pockets.
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(looks into magic pool)
Fnord: AKs, or AQs
George: announces his overpair fashionably late AA-QQ
Going back to psychic shool . . .
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Meh, flop was a bunch of middle cards and I don't worry too much about suits heads-up.
I'm quite certain I wasn't on the button. My hand wasn't that bad....
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It was either the button or CO, I'm 99% sure it was from the button. Either way you "bought" the button, so you'll be last to act on the flop no matter what.
EDIT: I took the "bold" off of the "rainbow" part. You had a rainbow flop in your original post as well. I wasn't meaning to point that out.
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I'm soooo pushing here if an Ace flops...
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Either way you "bought" the button, so you'll be last to act on the flop no matter what.
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Yeah, funny how I tend to do that a lot...
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George: announces his overpair fashionably late AA-QQ
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No.
For what it's worth, I know I am playing against Fnord. Fnord does not know that I know this.
He does now though. 
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Originally Posted by r8ed
JJ again for George? You have low pockets or AK?
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I can't call $16 more without pretty good effective pot odds. |
I guess it depends on how strong you feel your read is on him. I don't know if he has JJ, but I figured he might because he's more likely to raise QQ+ and less likely to reraise anything less than JJ. I may be way off, just putting things "down on paper" before the results. But if you can put him on a tiny range of hands and you know his playing style - your cards matter less but you still want to have something reasonable.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
For what it's worth, I know I am playing against Fnord. Fnord does not know that I know this.
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Yes he does. This is the 3rd time you've re-raised me. Te last two times you created at least the illusion that you wanted a call.
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arkana
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Originally Posted by Fnord
This is the 3rd time you've re-raised me.
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Why didnt you post this originally?
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This is the 3rd time you've re-raised me.
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Why didnt you post this originally? |
So this could be a “bah, I’m not going to fold to all his reraises, lets call and see what happens”.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
For what it's worth, I know I am playing against Fnord. Fnord does not know that I know this.
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Yes he does. This is the 3rd time you've re-raised me. That last two times you created at least the illusion that you wanted a call. |
Now we're getting somewhere with this.
Fnord has played with me a number of times. How many exactly, I'm not sure. He knows I'm a tight player that picks and chooses spots to be aggressive. I'm *ususally* coming in with big cards at all times, although I've learned how to switch gears in certain spots and raise a wider-range of hands. My profits have sky-rocketed because of this.
He also thinks he has another thing going for him. He knows who I am but doesn't think I know who he is. I'm sure after (or maybe during) this hand the light bulb went on and he realized that "I knew it was him." With the way I've played back at him once (or maybe twice), he may have "known" already, but this confirmed it.
Anyway, knowing that it's Fnord, I know he can be raising here with a very *wide* rage of hands. Anything from 78s to A8. The thing is, though, Fnord has been "caught" a few times on this table, so I know he doesn't have *total* junk here. He's been played back at by a number of players and has either had to a) fold, or b) show down a weaker hand at showdown on previous hands.
Knowing this, I'm pretty sure Fnord has tightened up a little bit. So that cuts his range down some. I'm thinking two big cards, AK, AQ, or AJ. AA/KK/QQ/JJ are not out of the question here, but I'm hoping that's not what he has. Even if he *does* have QQ/JJ here, my play SCREAMS that I have AA. So if he has one of those hands I feel that I can possibly push him off of it because of what my play "says" that I have.
His call narrowed what hands he could possibly be playing (and scared the bejeezus out of me). I know at this point he's not playing suited-connectors or middle pairs himself. He is either playing a) two high cards (AK/AQ/AJ), or b) AA/KK/QQ/JJ. He is either looking to hit it big (and take my stack) with his high cards, or take my stack anyway (with a high pair).
The flop was PERFECT for me (346 rainbow). I know he dosn't have a set, two pair, or a straight, so I'm safe against those types of hands. Now he either has a MONSTER or totally whiffed with two over-cards, so I bet $35 into a $48 pot.
Is there any hand here that he could possibly push/call with except for AA/KK? Maybe QQ/JJ? My play SCREAMS rockets (although by now Fnord knows I probably don't have them).
Thoughts?
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We're at the point where I'm playing for stacks with QQ.
Overall was one of those sessions where I felt good about being only down 2 1/2 buy-ins. Donated $80 to a guy when I deviated from my plan when he continuted strong after a weak flop bet (need more practice floating.) Managed to get away from a turned set over set for only half of my stack. In another hand I was lucky the nit was so frozen up he checked behind the river with his set in a $50 pot?!?!? Just kept on running into domination issues, unlikely holdings and suck-outs.
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My hand was :Td: :Tc:
Fnord, I'm sure you had some idea that I was playing a hand like this...Anyone else have any thoughts on the way I played this?
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The big LRR tipped your hand.
I had K J
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The big LRR tipped your hand.
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AA/KK never crossed your mind?
Against an opponent I don't know that's what I put them on every single time...
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1. With AA/KK you'd probably try to Pwn me on the flop
2. You're not a random opponent
3. Last time I looked someone up who tried this stuff they had QQ
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Because I played every street the same as I would if the cards were face-up on the table?
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My post was meant to have no content.
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My post was meant to have no content.
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Do your posts ever have any content?
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
My hand was :Td: :Tc:
Fnord, I'm sure you had some idea that I was playing a hand like this...Anyone else have any thoughts on the way I played this?
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You must have been worried that he called your reraise preflop. On the flop you did what you had to - bet it and see where you are at. It's actually good you acted first because what do you do if Fnord acts first and bets $35? I would assume fold because your stack is at stake otherwise and you're holding TT.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
My hand was :Td: :Tc:
Fnord, I'm sure you had some idea that I was playing a hand like this...Anyone else have any thoughts on the way I played this?
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You must have been worried that he called your reraise preflop. On the flop you did what you had to - bet it and see where you are at. It's actually good you acted first because what do you do if Fnord acts first and bets $35? I would assume fold because your stack is at stake otherwise and you're holding TT. |
Exactly. Position is important, but when it gets to HU it's almost better to *act first* because the other guy can't really call unless he has something. Knowing this, I threw out a big bet. If he calls/pushes on me, I know I am dead in the water. But that's the thing. He can't call/push unless he has a better hand than mine.
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my only problem here is that you have to finda good enough player to understand the play.
Its stil a lovely little pwning though 
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