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lamaros

11-18-2005, 01:01 AM Post subject: Another Dilema

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Is this AK often enough?

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BB ($2)
UTG ($6.20)
UTG+1 ($3.70)
MP1 ($12.05)
MP2 ($5.35)
Hero ($27.65)
CO ($7.65)
Button ($10.30)
SB ($21.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A

, A

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.5, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.40, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 3

, K

, 7

(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.8, Button folds, MP1 raises to $3.6, Hero ??

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11-18-2005, 01:30 AM

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Raise more pre-flop if they'll call more.

I'm all-in on this flop.

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11-18-2005, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Raise more pre-flop if they'll call more.

I'm all-in on this flop.

Really? Why?
What do you think MP1 has that calls and we have beat?

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11-18-2005, 01:47 AM

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Kx, Ahxh

I wouldn't lay this down for an unknown.

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11-18-2005, 03:17 AM

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I guess how I play this depends on my image. If I have been raising a lot and picking up a lot of pots without a showdown, this is an easy push.
If I have been playing tight recently, I call here, and re-evaluate on the turn. I probably call down from there, allowing an opponent to "value bet" a hand that he could have gotten away from had I pushed.

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11-18-2005, 03:19 AM

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Villain seems willing to throw it all in. Could be AK or KhQh or something similar. I wouldn't want to let him see any more cards when all the money will likely end up in anyways. Puuuush.

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11-18-2005, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KoRnholio

Villain seems willing to throw it all in. Could be AK or KhQh or something similar. I wouldn't want to let him see any more cards when all the money will likely end up in anyways. Puuuush.

If your money is going in anyways, but he may fold a hand to a push that he would bet on the turn, how is pushing now your best play?

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lamaros

11-18-2005, 04:04 AM

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I had a pretty loose image, but hadn't showed any losers. Next to no reads on villan, hadn't seen them play many hands.

I pushed it. Turned over 77. But I feel like that's going to be the exception at this level, and I'd push it again.

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If your money is going in anyways, but he may fold a hand to a push that he would bet on the turn, how is pushing now your best play?

People that raise me like that won't fold to a push.

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11-18-2005, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lamaros

People that raise me like that won't fold to a push.

Why?

I might.

(though I can't think of a situation where I minraise here)

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11-18-2005, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KoRnholio

Villain seems willing to throw it all in. Could be AK or KhQh or something similar. I wouldn't want to let him see any more cards when all the money will likely end up in anyways. Puuuush.

If your money is going in anyways, but he may fold a hand to a push that he would bet on the turn, how is pushing now your best play?

Your hand is very unlikely to improve on a board like this (basically one out, the non-heart ace), whereas he has quite a few potential holdings that would allow him to take the lead if he's on any kind of draw/pair+draw. I'd much rather get my money in before he has a chance to make a decision based on the what hits the turn.

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11-18-2005, 05:43 PM

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That's not a dilema! that's a nice flop for you aces.

If villain throws in half of his pot after the flop, push him AI. Like Fnord say, he'll call with a king nice kicker. I would too.

My goal when I have aces is to find out whether or not someone has hit top pair on the flop. If they have, I push AI after a substantial raise or re-raise by a villain.

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11-18-2005, 06:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

If I have been playing tight recently, I call here, and re-evaluate on the turn.

At this level there are plenty of fish that call a push on a flush draw with TP or overs. By the turn you lose the ability to get his money in the middle when he has the worst of it. No heart on the turn and the flush draw will fold to any substantial bet now.
Get the money in while the getting is good.

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