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Old 09-28-2006, 09:26 PM     Post subject: Am I a fish or did I wtfpwn this guy? #1 (permalink)  
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UTG+1 ($29.20)
MP1 ($53.85)
MP2 ($13.15)
Hero ($25)
CO ($20.90)
Button ($47.10)
SB ($29.90)
BB ($24.30)
UTG ($33.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9, 8.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 2 folds.

Flop: ($3.35) 7, 6, A (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2.

Turn: ($9.35) 9 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $3.5, Hero calls $3.50, Button folds.

River: ($16.35) T (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $5, Hero raises to $18.5

This had is from a while ago actually, but was just looking through my database and remembered that I wanted to post it. Villian is insanely tight (~11/3) and can't fold... EVER. I know if I hit, I take his stack... standard? I didn't like the river, not because I was afraid of the flush, but because I thought that actually might even make a fish fold.

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Old 09-28-2006, 09:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I like most of it but I don't think he has much. I raise to $14 on the river but what's another $4.5 just to get it all in the middle.
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Old 09-28-2006, 09:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You're a fish.
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Old 09-28-2006, 09:52 PM #4 (permalink)  
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You're a fish.
What's a better line?

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UTG is betting pretty soft if he has an Ace - that kinda betting leads me to believe 'most' players are betting a flush draw and in those cases i don't like calling when i might only have 3 good outs...

but against this guy I think it's fine - Hes certainly letting you follow along for a good price - fishy against most players, but alright against a super nit like this -
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You're a fish.
What's a better line?
You're a donk?
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You're a fish.
What's a better line?
fold flop usually.

fold preflop almost as usually
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You're a fish.
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You're a donk?
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You're a fish.
What's a better line?
Give me your money, I'll spend on useful things like booze, strippers and cars.
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You're a fish.
What's a better line?
fold flop usually.

fold preflop almost as usually
You don't like sc's against mega nits in pos? I thought the pf call was pretty standard, is this a leak?

I think the only hands he might have raised here that didn't include an A are QQ or KK, and I don't think he leads the turn again without it. I really don't think he even bets the turn with a fd... unless he had an AdKd/AdQd. If the turn didn't come a 9 and he didn't bet so small (as in another strong of bet ~$7) I would have folded. I have at most 13 outs, 11 if he has the fd, and 8 if he has AA. This is also assuming a 9/8 is good for me too.

If just for example, I stack him everytime I hit my draw, did I invest too much to win his stack? I have 100 bbs and he covers, and up to the river I invested 26 bbs. There is also 13 bbs of dead money.

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Old 09-28-2006, 10:55 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Give me your money, I'll spend on useful things like booze, strippers and cars.
I've spent money on all of those things in my life, but to be honest I think my favorite thing I buy with money is food. Booze is pretty cool too.

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Pre-flop call is fine, you know what you're getting into.

Post-flop is pretty ABC.
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You don't like sc's against mega nits in pos? I thought the pf call was pretty standard, is this a leak?
I can't tell you it's a leak; I'm not a good enough player. I don't like LSCs for a raise (even a little one) unless I'm button or CO, b/c of the chance of a reraise/squeeze behind.

I don't like the flop call b/c you have six true outs. If you feel like counting eights and nines as outs, I guess it's fine, but I generally want the flush draw or a clean straight draw here.

Like I said, that's just me and I'm kinda nitty I guess.
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You don't like sc's against mega nits in pos? I thought the pf call was pretty standard, is this a leak?
I don't like the flop call b/c you have six true outs. If you feel like counting eights and nines as outs, I guess it's fine, but I generally want the flush draw or a clean straight draw here.

Like I said, that's just me and I'm kinda nitty I guess.
Full ring, he raised UTG+1, he raises 3% of his hands, I think folding this flop bad. He doesn't have diamonds unless it's AKdd/AQdd.
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Old 09-28-2006, 11:35 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 its ok to call raises pf with suited connectors if you are pretty sure you'll have position after the flop (e.g. you are on the button or cutoff). Other than that I don't really like doing it.
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You're a fish.
What's a better line?
fold flop usually.

fold preflop almost as usually
folding preflop is ok, calling does not have to be bad.

folding the flop is bad. You have 6 outs to the nuts and a good situation to take the pot away from him since he won't have an ace or better probably at least 50% of the time. Theflop call is standard.
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Old 09-28-2006, 11:53 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 isnt this just standard?
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Old 09-29-2006, 12:00 AM #18 (permalink)  
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isnt this just standard?
I didn't read the HH and say "ok I would do this everytime" if that is what you're asking. I was asking if anyone would take alternative lines with a draw like this against a nit, or if I played it ok. Also was wondering if it was ok to call/call/fold if I don't hit.

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Old 09-29-2006, 01:16 AM #19 (permalink)  
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isnt this just standard?
Pre-flop is a matter of taste.

Personally, my SC results are less than a goldmine. My perspective here is that I want enough of a feel for the play of the raiser so I know what I'm getting into and can get maximum value and oportunity to win a pot without much of a hand. Alternativly, I'll sometimes play this with mostly position + aggression. Finally, Renton made a great point about the risk we're taking of someone else yet to act waking up with a hand or getting frisky.
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