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JL
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04-29-2008, 09:54 PM
Post subject: Almost ready to give up on FR
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Full House
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I am not sure what I am doing wrong.
Please help.
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XTR1000
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well, it could be worse
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Originally Posted by bigred
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jyms
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Top of my head.
You fold blinds too much
Your Cbetting too much
Your folding the best hand too much
You don't bet the turn enough
You don't bet the river enough
Your probably not running well at times and it's effecting your thoughts when your running better. Your stats seem like your gun shy. Start thinking more bet/fold lines on later streets.
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JL
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Originally Posted by XTR1000
well, it could be worse
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Maybe we should switch sites man. Too many damn shortstackers and too few full-stacked fish.
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Deanglow
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LOL at quitting after 18k hands. This downswing is nothing and you need to play more.
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badgers
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look at pokerEV and setometer. It may not be exact about how badly you are running but it's a start and may help you to understand if it's a leak or a bad run.
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3k post - Return of the blog!
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pgil
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do you table select?
quick look says you are giving up too quickly/often postflop.
position stats look like you are playing CO/BTN the same, as well seats 2/3 and 4/5 look almost identical.
won money at SD % on the button should definitely be above 50%.
there don't appear to be any glaring stats issues, but obviously something seems to be amiss.
are your big hands winning/winning as much as they should be?
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swiggidy
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This is 3.5 buy-ins right?
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
Top of my head.
You fold blinds too much
Your Cbetting too much
Your folding the best hand too much
You don't bet the turn enough
You don't bet the river enough
Your probably not running well at times and it's effecting your thoughts when your running better. Your stats seem like your gun shy. Start thinking more bet/fold lines on later streets.
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nice laundry list of standard things.
IMO, of this list, there might be 1 that is correct.
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JL
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
LOL at quitting after 18k hands. This downswing is nothing and you need to play more.
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I guess it's not very many hands, but when I played short-handed games I never had a losing stretch after this many hands.
Also, this many hands is almost a month worth of hands for me, so it just feels like the long-run for me.
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Deanglow
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Originally Posted by JL
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
LOL at quitting after 18k hands. This downswing is nothing and you need to play more.
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I guess it's not very many hands, but when I played short-handed games I never had a losing stretch after this many hands.
Also, this many hands is almost a month worth of hands for me, so it just feels like the long-run for me. |
I've routinely had 60k breakeven stretches at full ring. Ain't no thang
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daven
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you;'re probably not flopping enough sets...
or, dunno, if there's a leak it's almost certainly post-flop.
pre-flop, how much are you 3-betting/how are you responding to being 3-bet - that's hugely different in full ring
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Your stats don't look obviously bad imo.
It's very very easy to run breakeven (or -3.5 BIs) over 20k hands, I think your leaks can only be minor and with these sort of numbers I can't see why you wouldn't be a long term winner.
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XTR1000
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by JL
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Originally Posted by XTR1000
well, it could be worse
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Maybe we should switch sites man. Too many damn shortstackers and too few full-stacked fish. |
I´m considering moving some money to Cake. Friend of mine gave it a shot and the competition seems easy with almost zero shortstacker.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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yo
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kingnat
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This probably isn't as applicable at $200nl... but I'm working on improving my biggest leak at 50nl:
"Don't pay off nits."
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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XTR1000
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Originally Posted by kingnat
This probably isn't as applicable at $200nl... but I'm working on improving my biggest leak at 50nl:
"Don't pay off nits."
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Applies to 1/2 as well, I put post-it notes on my monitor to remind me of that
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Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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yo
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kingnat
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by XTR1000
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Originally Posted by kingnat
This probably isn't as applicable at $200nl... but I'm working on improving my biggest leak at 50nl:
"Don't pay off nits."
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Applies to 1/2 as well, I put post-it notes on my monitor to remind me of that |
I bet my post-it notes are bigger than you're post it notes.
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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frosst
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Originally Posted by daven
you;'re probably not flopping enough sets...
or, dunno, if there's a leak it's almost certainly post-flop.
pre-flop, how much are you 3-betting/how are you responding to being 3-bet - that's hugely different in full ring
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yea. so flop more sets ldo. imo you look fine for the most part. the only thing i see out of place is that your win rate is low for your nittyness, which is ok if you're going through heavy variance. and you are giving up your blinds too much. but the best thing to do is look at poker tracker stats for leaks. And I'm not talking about the one's you posted.
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...rt=1&PHPSESSID
read through that whole article
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pokerfan
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paying off nits is a big leak in these weak tight nl online games.
won$ AT SD should be at least 55% if you know when to fold 'em and when to hold 'em under pressure. Also, i doubt that you have criteria for table selection AND seat selection cuz there has been an influx of TA regular players in 1-2 NL full ring games.
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