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Old 10-05-2005, 10:25 PM     Post subject: For all those who think there aren't fish at higher limits.. #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #2734090983: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2005/10/05 - 18:15:06 (ET)
Table 'Gehrels' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: roch5220x ($583.05 in chips)
Seat 4: jjall_out ($1008.65 in chips)
Seat 7: STUDRAM ($242.50 in chips)
Seat 8: LURPED ($925 in chips)
Seat 9: dsaxton ($591 in chips)
jjall_out: posts small blind $3
fumbo420: is sitting out
STUDRAM: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [7s 6s]
fumbo420 leaves the table
LURPED: folds
dsaxton: raises $18 to $24
roch5220x: calls $24
jjall_out: folds
STUDRAM: calls $18
*** FLOP *** [4c Jh 5s]
STUDRAM: checks
dsaxton: bets $36
roch5220x: raises $36 to $72
STUDRAM: folds
dsaxton: calls $36
*** TURN *** [4c Jh 5s] [8s]
dsaxton: checks
roch5220x: bets $216
dsaxton: raises $279 to $495 and is all-in
roch5220x: calls $271.05 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4c Jh 5s 8s] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dsaxton: shows [7s 6s] (a straight, Four to Eight)
roch5220x: mucks hand
dsaxton collected $1191.10 from pot
roch5220x leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1193.10 | Rake $2
Board [4c Jh 5s 8s 3c]
Seat 3: roch5220x (button) mucked [Ah Qh]
Seat 4: jjall_out (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: STUDRAM (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: LURPED folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dsaxton showed [7s 6s] and won ($1191.10) with a straight, Four to Eight
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Old 10-05-2005, 10:28 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 10-05-2005, 11:14 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:06 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I'm assuming the original raise was a blind steal attempt? Nice Laggy play that paid off here!
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:21 AM #5 (permalink)  
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nh, I'm trying to figure out if I like the min-raise on the flop or calling the all-in on the turn with A high better.
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:02 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm assuming the original raise was a blind steal attempt? Nice Laggy play that paid off here!
Not really. I'm raising for a number of reasons. Either to steal the blinds, get a caller and bluff him out on the flop (with these hands you'll often have insurance on your bluff attempts in the form of a straight or flush draw on the flop), or hit a nice hand and win a big pot because of my aggression.

I often make similar plays with small and middle pairs with the intent of betting any flop and potentially bluffing out the better hand, or concealing my hand almost completely when I hit my set.

It's a higher volatility approach compared to the standard play of just limping in, trying to hit your hand and betting it, which is very often low risk and low return.
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:41 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I see your point, but it seems to me that more often than not you are going to miss that flop, and that just leaks money away to the higher PP that called your PFR. At least it would at most of the tables I have seen. Who knows, Obviously it conceals your hand and lets you let go of the hand really easy to strength... I dunno, I haven't really been successful when I try the LAGG approach personally, so maybe I am biased against it..
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I see your point, but it seems to me that more often than not you are going to miss that flop, and that just leaks money away to the higher PP that called your PFR. At least it would at most of the tables I have seen. Who knows, Obviously it conceals your hand and lets you let go of the hand really easy to strength... I dunno, I haven't really been successful when I try the LAGG approach personally, so maybe I am biased against it..
It doesn't really matter if I hit the flop or not. I'm going to win the pot on the flop probably 75% of the time at a reasonably tight table.
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Old 10-06-2005, 03:16 PM #9 (permalink)  
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You really can't question dsaxton's play style. Every book and site says to play TAG. So, if 90% or more people are attempting to follow this advice, there is money to be made playing the opposite. Sounds simple, but postflop play and player reads has to be execptional. Props to you. Nice play. I usually don't respond to your posts because:
a) I have no clue what you are doing
b) How many times can I type "wow"
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:55 PM #10 (permalink)  
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We don't know if this was actually fishy unless we see opp's cards. It could've been AsJs
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:39 PM #11 (permalink)  
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You really can't question dsaxton's play style. Every book and site says to play TAG. So, if 90% or more people are attempting to follow this advice, there is money to be made playing the opposite. Sounds simple, but postflop play and player reads has to be execptional. Props to you. Nice play. I usually don't respond to your posts because:
a) I have no clue what you are doing
b) How many times can I type "wow"
well its 6-max, and in high stakes 6-max no one should be playing TAG (LAG is much better choice). However in high-stakes (and low-stakes) 10-max you should always play tight. Why play more hands when you can throw away your weaker hands and when you do enter a pot you have a better chance of winning a showdown? It doesnt hurt you at all to fold pre-flop. If you think someone who is loose makes up for it by eating the blinds more, your mistaken. I've played up to 1000 NL and I always play tight and see 15% of flops at most in a 10-max game.
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:11 PM     Post subject: Re: For all those who think there aren't fish at higher limi #12 (permalink)  
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We don't know if this was actually fishy unless we see opp's cards. It could've been AsJs
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Seat 3: roch5220x (button) mucked [Ah Qh]
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Old 10-06-2005, 09:10 PM     Post subject: Re: For all those who think there aren't fish at higher limi #13 (permalink)  
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We don't know if this was actually fishy unless we see opp's cards. It could've been AsJs
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Seat 3: roch5220x (button) mucked [Ah Qh]
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Old 10-07-2005, 06:27 PM #14 (permalink)  
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You really can't question dsaxton's play style. Every book and site says to play TAG. So, if 90% or more people are attempting to follow this advice, there is money to be made playing the opposite. Sounds simple, but postflop play and player reads has to be execptional. Props to you. Nice play. I usually don't respond to your posts because:
a) I have no clue what you are doing
b) How many times can I type "wow"
well its 6-max, and in high stakes 6-max no one should be playing TAG (LAG is much better choice). However in high-stakes (and low-stakes) 10-max you should always play tight. Why play more hands when you can throw away your weaker hands and when you do enter a pot you have a better chance of winning a showdown? It doesnt hurt you at all to fold pre-flop. If you think someone who is loose makes up for it by eating the blinds more, your mistaken. I've played up to 1000 NL and I always play tight and see 15% of flops at most in a 10-max game.
Thanks for this, that is exactly how I feel.
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You really can't question dsaxton's play style. Every book and site says to play TAG. So, if 90% or more people are attempting to follow this advice, there is money to be made playing the opposite. Sounds simple, but postflop play and player reads has to be execptional. Props to you. Nice play. I usually don't respond to your posts because:
a) I have no clue what you are doing
b) How many times can I type "wow"
well its 6-max, and in high stakes 6-max no one should be playing TAG (LAG is much better choice). However in high-stakes (and low-stakes) 10-max you should always play tight. Why play more hands when you can throw away your weaker hands and when you do enter a pot you have a better chance of winning a showdown? It doesnt hurt you at all to fold pre-flop. If you think someone who is loose makes up for it by eating the blinds more, your mistaken. I've played up to 1000 NL and I always play tight and see 15% of flops at most in a 10-max game.
Actually, it was a full table, but we were playing short-handed at the time.

I don't really agree that you should always play tight at a high stakes full table. It's completely dependent on how your opponents are playing and how they percieve your play.
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Old 10-07-2005, 08:30 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Actually, it was a full table, but we were playing short-handed at the time.

I don't really agree that you should always play tight at a high stakes full table. It's completely dependent on how your opponents are playing and how they percieve your play.
If nothing else, you should LAG your way into later action at a reasonably tight table. You have to have some big bowling balls to LAG at higher stakes. I can admit I haven't attempted it higher than 200NL. I'm a scared little kitten at 400NL.
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