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IowaSkinsFan

12-12-2005, 09:52 PM Post subject: AKs preflop, good fold by me?

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No reads... Thinking back I think I should've just called preflop. Clearly this guy knows what he's doing and has at least AQ.

Game #1148851444 - (blinds $0.05/$0.10) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/12/12-16:41:19.1 (CST) Table "Dominica" (real money) -- Seat 3 is the button Seat 1: Briischamp ($7.50 in chips) Seat 2: Flytomelove ($28.40 in chips) Seat 3: Frosty Rider ($9.40 in chips) Seat 4: turfdr ($4.64 in chips) Seat 5: redgrape ($13.30 in chips) Seat 6: king_gila ($14.65 in chips) Seat 7: tdiggs ($28.53 in chips) Seat 8: flyfishguy ($3.90 in chips) Seat 9: Mindgrinder ($18.50 in chips) Seat 10: thaytrader ($10.24 in chips) turfdr : Post Small Blind ($0.05)
redgrape: Post Big Blind ($0.10)
Dealing...
Dealt to redgrape [ Kc ]
Dealt to redgrape [ Ac ]
king_gila: Call ($0.10)
tdiggs : Raise ($0.30)
flyfishguy: Fold
Mindgrinder: Fold
thaytrader: Raise ($1)
Briischamp: Call ($1)
Flytomelove: Fold
Frosty Rider: Fold
turfdr : Fold
redgrape: Raise ($3)
king_gila: Fold
tdiggs : Fold
thaytrader: Raise ($9.24)
Briischamp: Fold
redgrape: Fold
thaytrader: Winner -- doesn't show cards
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $7.65 | Rake: $0
Briischamp lost $1 (folded)
Flytomelove didn't bet (folded)
Frosty Rider didn't bet (folded)
turfdr lost $0.05 (folded)
redgrape lost $3.10 (folded) [ Kc Ac ]
king_gila lost $0.10 (folded)
tdiggs lost $0.30 (folded)
flyfishguy didn't bet (folded)
Mindgrinder didn't bet (folded)
thaytrader bet $10.24, collected $14.79, net +$4.55

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outphase

12-13-2005, 01:56 AM

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a 30xBB reraise with AKs? I'm not sure if that's a good idea given opp raised someone else already. In this situation, I'd like to play the implied odds side of this hand.

The fold in this situation is fine given your read.

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WildBobAA

12-13-2005, 02:10 AM

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Bad fold. You were getting 2:1 with AKs. The only hand you're not getting the odds to call against is AA. If you saw his cards and he had KK, you would call here. What do you think his range is here? JJ-AA AQ AK? Maybe went crazy with TT? Cash games are all about making the mathmatically correct play and that play is to call here. If would put his range on KK or AA only then this would be a fold but anything more than that is a call. And the number of times you run into AA will be offset by the times you're vs a lower pocket pair or someone made a donkey play with AQ or AJ. (And I'm guessing those type of plays happen fairly often at this level).

Also, no reads but you say clearly this guy knows what he's doing? He could be some donk who has hit a lucky run of cards and is trying to bully everyone.

This is if you only put him on the range of QQ, KK, or AA and it would be the correct call and I'm sure his range is larger than that.

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 34.5860 % 34.22% 00.37% { AcKc }
Hand 2: 65.4140 % 65.05% 00.37% { QQ+ }

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IowaSkinsFan

12-13-2005, 12:54 PM

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Okay but how bout also taking into account the caller before all the raising. He called $1 preflop raise, he probably has an Ace. If I knew he had KK is it still a call?

Also, i'm doubting this guy has anything worse than AKs, KK, or AA. i feel a sign of a tight player at this level is someone who raises huge amounts like 10x the BB. I even doubted he had AKs here.

So lets say i think, 60% KK, 30% AA (just because there most likely is another Ace out? or should i still say AA and KK are 45% and 45%) and 10% AKs. Is this a call or a fold?

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WildBobAA

12-13-2005, 01:33 PM

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If you can honestly put him on that range then it's a fold.

Lukie

12-13-2005, 01:52 PM

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Fold preflop (on your first chance-- before you put any money in the pot.)

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