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Old 04-18-2007, 02:13 AM     Post subject: AKs, flush draw on turn, how is this line (25NL) #1 (permalink)  
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Opp is a truly awful calling station, 91/0/0.3 over 11 hands (yeah small sample size I know).

How is this line on the turn? I have no choice given the money already in the pot, right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($1.90)
UTG+1 ($24.25)
MP1 ($46.85)
MP2 ($12.05)
MP3 ($4.35)
CO ($19.05)
Button ($42.90)
SB ($15.75)
Hero ($31.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $2, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1.75, SB calls $1.75.

Flop: ($6.75) 8, 3, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, MP2 calls $5, SB folds.

Turn: ($16.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.05
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Old 04-18-2007, 02:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I probably do not bet the flop into 2 other players especially if one is a calling station.

Im not sure if I bet the turn. Dont get me wrong, we're calling if he pushes but we are behind and have zero FE so c/c IMO is better than pushing.
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Old 04-18-2007, 11:18 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I probably do not bet the flop into 2 other players especially if one is a calling station..
Yeah, and they are shorties as well. If the opps were tighter and the board was dryer, I like a bet. Turn push is fine... We might even be ahead right now, and maybe he dumps a pair there sometimes lol.
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Old 04-18-2007, 12:12 PM #4 (permalink)  
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this is a bad flop for you and id c/f this flop. your turn bet shows what your trying to do,transparent move IMHO.

c/c turn
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:17 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 take a freeflop, you cant isolate here and not oop with a one pair hand IMO.

Putting money in the pot oop here sucks all the way, but id listen to other arguements.
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:41 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Just read through all your recent hands taipan, most of the responses were good, so rather than reply to all of them I'll just post some thoughts here...

1. Don't pay attention to any stats until you have at least 20-25 hands. I don't even let them display until 25. Don't pay attention to post-flop stats until you have ~100 hands. VPIP factors into when I start looking at post-flop numbers... if an opponent's VPIP is 80 over 100 hands, then the post-flop stats are based 80 hands of data which is decent, but a player with a VPIP of 18 over 100 hands doesn't have much data behind his post-flop stats. Remember that even 200 hands isn't that many... I've had sessions that long that I've run 36/25 and others I've run 18/12.

2. When you have a hand and there are draws on the board, bet at least 3/4 pot, closer to pot if the hand's either multi-way or there are multiple draws. You did this in one hand, didn't do it in a couple of others. Flop raises with good hands and drawy boards should be pot-sized or very close. MinSim showed how to calculate a pot-sized raise in another thread... pot + bet + calls + your call = size of a pot-sized raise. In the AA thread, a raise to $16 would have been pot-sized. I would have made it $15 and been very happy taking it down there, or isolating vs. the shorty.

3. Re: the hand in this thread, not the best place for a c-bet, as others have mentioned. You have missed overs, it's multi-way, you're not in position, and the board is drawy.
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:24 AM #7 (permalink)  
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2. When you have a hand and there are draws on the board, bet at least 3/4 pot, closer to pot if the hand's either multi-way or there are multiple draws. You did this in one hand, didn't do it in a couple of others. Flop raises with good hands and drawy boards should be pot-sized or very close. MinSim showed how to calculate a pot-sized raise in another thread... pot + bet + calls + your call = size of a pot-sized raise. In the AA thread, a raise to $16 would have been pot-sized. I would have made it $15 and been very happy taking it down there, or isolating vs. the shorty.
Thanks for your comments, they were very helpful. I think it is one of the adjustments that I'm having to make between (shallow stacked) SNG play and (deeper stacked) ring to bet full pot rather than 1/2-2/3 pot.
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