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Fnord

05-16-2005, 10:20 AM Post subject: AKs aggro image and the BB plays back at me.

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Villian plays ok and I've already opened 2 or 3 pots for $1 this orbit. Mixed feelings on this play.

PokerStars Game #1707881341: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/05/16 -
05:18:57 (ET)
Table 'Posnania III' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Misty9 ($61.75 in chips)
Seat 2: joonyoon ($29.95 in chips)
Seat 3: HenryFnord ($29.60 in chips)
Seat 4: showtime001 ($17.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Fabux ($51.30 in chips)
Seat 8: Flirty21 ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 9: cohzino ($42.60 in chips)
cohzino: posts small blind $0.10
Misty9: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HenryFnord [Kh Ah]
joonyoon: folds
joonyoon leaves the table
HenryFnord: raises $0.75 to $1
showtime001: folds
Fabux: folds
Flirty21: folds
cohzino: folds
Misty9: raises $0.75 to $1.75
HenryFnord: raises $27.85 to $29.60 and is all-in

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05-16-2005, 10:26 AM

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Fnord, your always asking "how deep is hte money". Does this count as deep stacks? (I think it does, your both at over 100xBB). If it is deep stacked, is it worth it to just push?
Do you think hes stealing since uv raised so many times already? If you do htink hes stealing, then I guess pushing is fine. If you think he wouldnt make a move unless with a real hand, then your a coinflip with deep stacks.

I answered the question wihtout even reading the titleof thethread, I just saw FNORD andjumped in...

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05-16-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by vqchuang

If you think he wouldnt make a move unless with a real hand, then your a coinflip with deep stacks.

It's a cash game, I'll flip coins all day if it makes the aware players at the table think twice about playing back at me.

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05-16-2005, 10:31 AM

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is it a good idea to be flipping coins with deap stacks? I was under the assumption that coinflips really really goot with shallow stacks, and not quite as good wiht deeper stacks.

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05-16-2005, 10:34 AM

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is it a good idea to be flipping coins with deap stacks? I was under the assumption that coinflips really really goot with shallow stacks, and not quite as good wiht deeper stacks.

That lends itself more to tournament play - Fnord is right here in that if you show you're willing to 'gamble it up' on coin flips, they have to figure they are AT BEST a coin flip when you make a move like this. ++++ to folding equity = +EV.

That said, the size of the reraise is a bit much - why not bang it to something like $8 when it serves almost the same purpose? You might even start getting calls from dominated hands with that kind of play.

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05-16-2005, 10:37 AM

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Yeah, but it's a pretty darn dry pot. Just wondering what % of the time I can expect to flip a coin vs % of the time a dominated hand calls my stinky over-bet vs % of the time I run into AA/KK here.

Good play or am I better off taking this to the flop? Re-raise or just call pre-flop?

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05-16-2005, 10:38 AM

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*smacks himself for being a tourney player in a ring forum. DAMN YOU RINGS!

Well in that case, that woul dhave to be the best line then. I mean he thinks hes being smart by "restealing" your "steal", and then you hit him with an all in where you kno YOU are at 99% of the time at a coinflip. push away i guess.

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05-16-2005, 10:43 AM

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Edited previous post - I like the theory behind the play but not the actual line.

If your image is aggro, I like the reraise here, though not a push. If he pushes over the top of you you have some thinking to do, but note that his reraise here doesn't give you a heck of a lot of information - is it a resteal/protection or a real hand?

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05-16-2005, 06:07 PM

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I agree w/ Kava, nice play, but if you want to be a bully, re-raising $10 would of accomplished the same thing, plus you have more of a chance of possibly getting a call, and smash all-in on the flop no matter what.

Depends on your style and your image, I would just call and see the flop and go from there. With your aggro image, I say I would make that move more as a bluff with a weaker hand (cause most of the time they will fold), but you actually have a hand with some value, and you may be able to extract more money.

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05-16-2005, 06:15 PM

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I'd go for a re-raise but not a push. He min-raised to $1.75, I say make it $4 and see how he likes it. Probably has mid-pockets like 10s, or something like your hand - AK, AQ. It's a weird re-raise if he's making a move on you, and a soft raise if he really has a hand.

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05-16-2005, 06:56 PM

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I would just call and try to flop a pair. Of course you aren't going to run into A-A or K-K very often, particularly when you're holding A-K, but the fact remains that he's almost certainly going to fold anything but one of these two hands, meaning you are either going to win a tiny pot or lose your entire stack. Not a very good situation.

If you're concerned with your table image, oftentimes after playing aggressively for a while I like to soften up a bit to create the impression that I'm playing my hands for value. I'll start doing things like taking flops and checking when I miss, or checking if I don't improve on the flop after raising preflop, which will tend to lend more credibility to my bets later on. This should help allow me to steal pots later with impunity, in that my opponents will prefer not to get involved without a hand, since my bets will then seem more legitimate.

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05-17-2005, 01:24 AM

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making htat play, i doubt you'll get many coinflips ... although u are at 25NL. i know i dont go all in preflop without aa or kk tho...

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05-17-2005, 12:48 PM

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i know i dont go all in preflop without aa or kk tho...

I do *cackle*

PokerStars Game #1707900875: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/05/16 - 05:33:00 (ET)
Table 'Matar' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ThatSamIAm ($36.15 in chips)
Seat 2: NoopyNoops ($48.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Good'nFilthy ($62.05 in chips)
Seat 4: HenryFnord ($88.25 in chips)
Seat 5: bluthund ($29.55 in chips)
Seat 6: zEAVIn ($49.85 in chips)
Seat 7: AaronBeen ($46.95 in chips)
Seat 8: McKnuckle ($70.40 in chips)
bluthund: posts small blind $0.25
zEAVIn: posts big blind $0.50
MegaLuck: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HenryFnord [Ad Kd]
AaronBeen: folds
McKnuckle: folds
ThatSamIAm: folds
NoopyNoops: calls $0.50
Good'nFilthy: folds
HenryFnord: raises $1.50 to $2
bluthund: raises $1.50 to $3.50
zEAVIn: folds
NoopyNoops: folds
HenryFnord: raises $84.75 to $88.25 and is all-in
bluthund: calls $26.05 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Jd 9s Ts]
*** TURN *** [Jd 9s Ts] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 9s Ts Ah] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bluthund: shows [Ac Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
HenryFnord: shows [Ad Kd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
HenryFnord collected $57.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $60.10 | Rake $3
Board [Jd 9s Ts Ah Qd]
Seat 1: ThatSamIAm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: NoopyNoops folded before Flop
Seat 3: Good'nFilthy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: HenryFnord (button) showed [Ad Kd] and won ($57.10) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 5: bluthund (small blind) showed [Ac Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 6: zEAVIn (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: AaronBeen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: McKnuckle folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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05-17-2005, 01:15 PM

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Personally i call the raise (it is only a min raise after all) and see what the flop looks like, if its all rags i'll bet out on the flop and hope to take it down, if i get reraised i think i'm up against a high pocket and look at my odds. If i get called i might check the turn and see what he does.

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05-17-2005, 01:33 PM

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Why are you playing 25NL these days? I thought 3/6 was your scene

I was mostly playing $50 NL at Stars just to scout out the games, since I was out of town and without all my toys. I just fired up a $25NL table because I couldn't find a 3rd $50 table that looked good.

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05-17-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

I was mostly playing $50 NL at Stars just to scout out the games, since I was out of town and without all my toys.

I've got this image of your home poker setup like something out of splinter cell with night vision goggles and a button to see everyone's cards and various other paraphenalia(sp?) which you just couldn't win without.

I assume you're reffering to some monstrous PT database with the full life history of every limit player ever known and 3 lackeys to press the buttons for you as you 12 table

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