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Old 08-26-2005, 04:21 AM     Post subject: AKo hand.. Bad Play? #1 (permalink)  

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Wrgvt1 was playing very loose passive so I didn't know what to think. Not really happy about the call on the river but I thought I may have been ahead. Also this was the 4th time in the session I was dealt AK and the previous 3 times I was beat so that may have affected my decision. Just wondering what you guys would have done differently.

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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 25, 23:32:26 EDT 2005
Table Table 37549 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: BrookesX90 ( $18.55 )
Seat 2: corduroydbr ( $33.80 )
Seat 3: crzyifucall ( $21.10 )
Seat 4: wrgvt1 ( $56 )
Seat 5: joedentman ( $19.37 )
Seat 6: audubon1 ( $22.85 )
Seat 7: brownie624 ( $35.95 )
Seat 8: POSklansky ( $67.35 )
Seat 9: clarky23 ( $22.35 )
Seat 10: streetsdr ( $24.75 )
streetsdr posts small blind [$0.10].
BrookesX90 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to POSklansky [ Ah Kd ]
corduroydbr folds.
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
crzyifucall folds.
wrgvt1 calls [$0.25].
joedentman raises [$0.50].
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
audubon1 folds.
brownie624 folds.
>You have options at Table 37598 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
POSklansky raises [$1.60].
clarky23 folds.
streetsdr folds.
BrookesX90 folds.
wrgvt1 calls [$1.35].
joedentman calls [$1.10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 6h, Kc ]
wrgvt1 bets [$1].
joedentman calls [$1].
POSklansky raises [$5].
wrgvt1 calls [$4].
joedentman calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
wrgvt1 bets [$4].
joedentman folds.
POSklansky calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
wrgvt1 bets [$15].
>You have options at Table 37598 Table!.
POSklansky calls [$15].
wrgvt1 shows [ Qh, Th ] a straight, ten to ace.
POSklansky doesn't show [ Ah, Kd ] two pairs, aces and kings.
wrgvt1 wins $55.25 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.
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lowBoy
Old 08-26-2005, 04:38 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Stop and think of what you put him on after his flop bet/call. He bet something like 1/5 of the pot. If you put him on a set or two pair (the only hands that beat you at that point), do you think he'd bet like that? Would he sit back and just call a raise with a vulnerable hand on a board like that? Or is he on a draw? If he's on a draw, you've got to make him pay for it on the turn. He's putting a $4 into ~$20 pot. That's nothing. It seems to me like he's on a draw and he's waiting to see if he hits. If you think he's drawing, raise his turn bet to $13-15. It's still escapable if he pushes (at that point, you can put him on something that beats you and fold), but it'll ruin most draws.

After his weak turn bet, he all of a sudden comes alive and fires a 1/2 pot bet when a straight is there... not enough to push you out on a bluff, but enough to get some value from what he thinks is a better hand... seems suspicious, no?
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:04 PM #3 (permalink)  
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With both the flush and strait draw out there on the flop, i like your flop bet with TPTK. Villains calling is standard for having both draws, unlikely he'd try and slowplay a set by smooth calling here because of the flushdraw and possible strait draw. His turn bet is very weak, you need to raise that hard for info, the 8d couldn't have helped him. I might consider pushing the turn if i've seen my opp bet weakly on draws before. Even without a read i make it 15 on the turn. In this case, having both draws, villain would probably wind up calling anyway so it wouldn't have saved you here, but raising the turn for info is the only way to know whether or not you should put m ore money in on the river.
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:19 PM #4 (permalink)  

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Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU
With both the flush and strait draw out there on the flop, i like your flop bet with TPTK. Villains calling is standard for having both draws, unlikely he'd try and slowplay a set by smooth calling here because of the flushdraw and possible strait draw. His turn bet is very weak, you need to raise that hard for info, the 8d couldn't have helped him. I might consider pushing the turn if i've seen my opp bet weakly on draws before. Even without a read i make it 15 on the turn. In this case, having both draws, villain would probably wind up calling anyway so it wouldn't have saved you here, but raising the turn for info is the only way to know whether or not you should put m ore money in on the river.
I agree with you entirely PokerPat. After thinking it over the turn bet just felt like a protection bet so that I wouldn't reraise. At the time I was thinking he had two pair. In this case I think even if I reraised or pushed he would've called.

Let's just say that I did reraise the turn and the villian called. With the ace coming down on the river giving me top two pair. Would you call 1/2 pot bet on the river?
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ejdewey
Old 08-30-2005, 09:12 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I'm guessing that if your raise on the turn was pot-sized ($20) he probably would have abandoned his draw. He practically told you that he was drawing, so you need to set the price for that next card. If you were still sure you had the lead on the turn, I see no reason to not make a pot sized bet just like you did on the flop.
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