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Lukie
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05-15-2006, 03:15 AM
Post subject: AK (unimproved is goot, right?)
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4-of-a-Kind
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wheeeeeeeeeee
villain is 47/26 and a loose cannon. I think I'm ahead on the flop so I call. I think he is really weak on the turn and is desperate on the river.
*puts on flame retardant suit*
discuss
PokerStars Game #4938535972: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2006/05/14 - 23:08:46 (ET)
Table 'Bellona II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Lukieplaya ($410.70 in chips)
Seat 3: hsanwt ($121.05 in chips)
Seat 4: adsanman12 ($443.90 in chips)
Seat 5: JediKnight9 ($178.45 in chips)
Seat 6: money122 ($1062.15 in chips)
JediKnight9: posts small blind $2
money122: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [Kd Ac]
Lukieplaya: raises $10 to $14
hsanwt: folds
adsanman12: folds
JediKnight9: folds
money122: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [6s 6d 5c]
money122: checks
Lukieplaya: bets $21
money122: raises $21 to $42
Lukieplaya: calls $21
*** TURN *** [6s 6d 5c] [Td]
money122: checks
Lukieplaya: checks
*** RIVER *** [6s 6d 5c Td] [2d]
money122: bets $96
Lukieplaya: calls $96
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jackvance
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I've made plays like this and had it work out (without stats however, just on a hunch).. but I've also been burned by them. So dunno.. but on all accounts that I succesfully called their bluff, they kept bluffing on flop, turn and river. The fact that he checks the turn makes me think he might be for real on the river here though..
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nutsinho
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nice
these hands are the reason i <3 poker
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Lukie
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nice
these hands are the reason i <3 poker
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haha, i take it you don't like my call. 
Or.... you love my call, depending on how you look at it....
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theDEEPdish
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hard to say if your goot since his range is so wide
comparable to calling someone down with 22 which i think is +EV when its a loose cannon like this
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WildBobAA
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I don't hate it.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I think he's utterly bluffing enough of the time to call the river bet. Nice hand.
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Rondavu
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I don't hate it either. He's telling a ridonkulous story.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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jackvance
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Thing is, you pretty much know you're getting called down here, so why bluff? Or is he that donkish? And yesterday I've faced this line three times that I can remember and twice they hit their miracle river (one was a 7 on his pokcet 77, other was similar but I don't remember all too well); Only one was air.
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Lukie
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He had JJ and I quickly reloaded...
I'm not particularly fond of my play, and in isolation it really sucks, but given the situation I still don't hate it.
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nutsinho
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its fine; i did like it
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Miffed22001
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i must be the only one seeing the obvious check/raise line on the turn you didnt fall for...but then still called on the river.
Opp surely bluffs bigger if he hsnt got it, after all he doesnt want you to call.
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EricE
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I believe his line. He makes a ridiculous min raise on the flop but your check on the turn tells him all he needs to know about your hand…namely, that you don’t have anything and that flop didn’t hit you. I see this as a PP looking to see if he is good. After the turn line he knows he is good and bets it hard hoping for a call.
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bdawg56kg
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Lukie, do you ever check this turn with an overpair?
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jackvance
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Lol Lukie posts results and suddenly it was obvious?..
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EricE
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Originally Posted by jackvance
Lol Lukie posts results and suddenly it was obvious?..
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<shrug> I posted late and I did read all the responses before I posted. But as I read the orig post that is what I was thinking all allong. No matter to me if you think I called it after the fact.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
Lukie, do you ever check this turn with an overpair?
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bdawg i don't like your attitude
edit: yes for pot control reasons, depends on what i thought his range was and whether he'd be a donkey and go for the double check/raise with a big hand and whatnot.
edit 2: but i'd usually bet and the more i think about it, the more I think I should just muck to the first check/raise... but I really did think i was good .
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WhooFleuryScores
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I think the flop is either a reraise or call.That being said turn is either push or ricer is a fold because I don't see how calling the river tells you much more since both of you checked the turn.He could be bluffing a weak PP or he could be valuebetting/trapping with teh trips.
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bdawg56kg
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Originally Posted by Lukie
bdawg i don't like your attitude
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Sheesh, just asking.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores
I think the flop is either a reraise or call.That being said turn is either push or ricer is a fold because I don't see how calling the river tells you much more since both of you checked the turn.He could be bluffing a weak PP or he could be valuebetting/trapping with teh trips.
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push turn?
I'm covered with $350 behind and about $100 in the pot, I have ace high, and I just got check/raised the street before.
call flop, $75 on turn might not be a bad line against a habitual c/r bluffer.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
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Originally Posted by Lukie
bdawg i don't like your attitude
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Sheesh, just asking. |
it's all good bryce. I ran bad tonight by the way. And I didn't even make any big river calls with AK. Although I did make a big river call with 77 on a TxxKK board where the guy (an awesome lagg) bet JTs strictly for value. It looked like he was repping an underfull or 3 K's which I knew almost for certain he didn't have, and I thought he'd check behind a T for sure since it was 3 way. Nope. I've noticed a trend that my "big river calls" just turn into a big edge for my opponents, so maybe I shouldn't make them as much?
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by Lukie
I've noticed a trend that my "big river calls" just turn into a big edge for my opponents, so maybe I shouldn't make them as much?
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I think you got a bit overenthousiastic about possible river calls so you lost your objectivity there and started "seeing things". That's very dangerous in poker :P Not paying off your opponents whenever they hit something is more important for your profit than getting your own made hands paid off.
Yeah ofcourse you know that better than me, I just like to repeat the obvious 
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STIdrivr
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In small stake cash games they like to min raise on the flop OOP if they really like their hand. I dont understand why he checked the turn I guess he thought you would bet again after already being check raised... Or maybe he was scared of wired 10's or that you may have the over pair so when you checked he figured he was good.
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