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Stripclubjunkie
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04-19-2006, 07:53 PM
Post subject: AK to a reraise...
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP2 ($65.75)
MP3 ($99)
CO ($155.58)
Button ($51.72)
SB ($59.53)
BB ($100)
UTG ($54.76)
UTG+1 ($50.60)
UTG+2 ($104)
Hero ($58)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A , K . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, SB (poster) raises to $9.5, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $16
2nd at the table, so no reads at all...?
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Miffed22001
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Ak is a worse hand than KQ when it comes to decision making with it
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Stripclubjunkie
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Ak is a worse hand than KQ when it comes to decision making with it
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I agree
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dpe8598
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Unless he has AA or KK you are getting fantastic odds to call. I'd call and see what he does when I bet if an A or K comes down.
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Renton
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Buy in full.
I call the reraise. AK is neutral to ahead of the avg 100nl players threebetting range. If he's tight-passive then fold, but without reads I call.
Remember hands you beat (like QQ, JJ, TT, AQ) can threebet. Also he could have AK for a probably split.
Folding AK to a minreraise is ultra weaktight. You have the fourth best hand in holdem. It doesn't mean you have to fold, it just means you have to play cautiously postflop. Even if you knew villain had KK it would have been worth the call. (You are getting 3.5:1 on the call and you are like 4:1 to flop an ace.)
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by dpe8598
Unless he has AA or KK you are getting fantastic odds to call. I'd call and see what he does when I bet if an A or K comes down.
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What do you do if he smoothcalls?
Do you bet out if no A or K flops? If not then you are betting he has exactly QQ here.
OOP theres a good chance I fold it right there.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Stripclubjunkie
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Say I call and bet half pot and he comes over the top?
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by Renton
Remember hands you beat (like QQ, JJ, TT, AQ) can threebet. Also he could have AK for a probably split.
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Who 3 bets TT?
I was thinking its probably AA,KK,QQ,AK possibly but very unlikely JJ).
also AK doesnt always split. You are OOP so theres a good chance he makes you fold a missed AK.... or even a hit AK for that matter
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Stripclubjunkie
Say I call and bet half pot and he comes over the top?
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does a set of aces or kings come over the top?
I am not saying call, but I am saying evaluate it. You'd be surprised how much its AK vs AK, or KK vs your pair of aces. There's nothing more sickening than folding to a flop raise with TPTK only to find out villain had AK too. I have since learned to spot this, and now I split virtually everytime I encounter AK vs AK.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Pelion
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Originally Posted by Renton
Remember hands you beat (like QQ, JJ, TT, AQ) can threebet. Also he could have AK for a probably split.
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Who 3 bets TT?
I was thinking its probably AA,KK,QQ,AK possibly but very unlikely JJ).
also AK doesnt always split. You are OOP so theres a good chance he makes you fold a missed AK.... or even a hit AK for that matter |
Threebetting ranges open up as you move up in stakes. I threebet with 99+ AQ+ often against the right people. I saw a fish threebet me with 66 yesterday at 100nl.
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dpe8598
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Pelion, he is not out of position, which was taken into consideration. What do you mean what do I do if he smooth calls me? I take his money! I feel very good against an opponent that is just calling me down. He may be slowplaying a monster, but I'm not calling his all in on the river.
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Ok so according to odds its a call...But what if i'm up against AA/KK then its slightly a call... So my line should be call and see a flop...But i can see now on his stats he is a loose cannon...
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by dpe8598
Pelion, he is not out of position, which was taken into consideration. What do you mean what do I do if he smooth calls me?
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ahh so he is. In that case I lean way more towards calling with position.
If you are OOP and you bet + he calls he could just be floating with an underpair or he could just as easily be slowpaying AA/KK.
If you are in position then you can see what happens on the flop. You might be able to push him off AK if low cards flop, and you might be able to get away from it if he has AA/KK
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Originally Posted by Renton
Even if you knew villain had KK it would have been worth the call. (You are getting 3.5:1 on the call and you are like 4:1 to flop an ace.)
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I thought it was 4:1 to pair either of your pocket cards. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't that go down quite a bit if you're only looking to pair 1 of your cards?
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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sejje
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I threebet TT against loose raisers.
I call that raise, but a typical reraise (3x my initial raise or more) I fold to.
I don't feel like you're getting AK paid off by worse hands often enough to overcome the times 1) don't flop a pair or 2) pay off AA when a king flops or 3) get sucked out after you flop a pair.
If I'm villian, my range for hero is narrowed to about four hands after a flat call, with AK making up about 50% of his range. I'm not paying with QQ.
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Originally Posted by Pelion
Who 3 bets TT?
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Maniacs do
I have had KK and QQ a few times and been re-raised preflop by TT. Flop came rags and we both went all in, I was fearing AA, but I cant lay down KK. He flipped over TT and I made a note on him.
Happened a couple other times, mostly to Loose aggressives.
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gabe
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i fold. if he was much smaller i would push, if he was larger i would call (assuming you had a bigger stack too).
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Originally Posted by Renton
You have the fourth best hand in holdem.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Renton
You have the fourth best hand in holdem.
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what are you questioning
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by Renton
You have the fourth best hand in holdem.
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what are you questioning |
Um...semantics. Starting hand. Just ignore me...I missed breakfast.
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gabe
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consider yourself IGNORED
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consider yourself IGNORED
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Ebene
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I call here. You are getting great pot odds - if you catch an Ace, chances are VERY slim he's got AA and you should be golden. If you catch a K, he almost certainly doesn't have KK but he might have AA, so I bet into the Villain or c/r him to see if he's got QQ.
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