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Anosmic
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04-13-2006, 11:38 AM
Post subject: AK with paired board
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sweden
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Not sure about this one. Any thoughts?
SB seems to be reasonably solid. But no real "reads" as such.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($4.98)
SB ($14.25)
BB ($5.02)
UTG ($4.92)
UTG+1 ($7.46)
MP1 ($5.29)
Hero ($6.25)
MP3 ($1.41)
CO ($5.83)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K , A . SB posts a blind of $0.02.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.10, 1 fold.
Flop: ($0.28) 9 , 9 , A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($0.28) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, SB calls $0.15.
River: ($0.58) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2.
Final Pot: $6.58
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piratepeaty
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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Bet the flop! There is a flush draw that you want to make pay, you have position, and any weaker ace is calling. Have you ever had a better reason to bet?
Turn is ok. Pretty much for the same reason you bet the flop.
River is... neh... you overbet here, then are check-raised. I don't think you are good, but I would have a hard time folding. The only hand I could see you beating is a weaker 2 pair.
So did he have a 9? or a backdoor flush?
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bair
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WHY DO PEOPLE CHECK SO MUCH STOP CHECKING
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Cava72
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Bet him on the flop!!! and bet him enough to find out if he has the 9.
He has more chips than you and you are making it very cheap for him t catch a winning card by checking...PUT SOME PRESSURE ON HIM AND MAKE HIM MAKE A DECISION.
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Fnord
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I check this flop about 50% of the time in tougher games.
I don't get the river over-bet. I'm looking to get paid here and you made calling his river c/r more difficult.
This looks like a backdoor flush to me.
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Anosmic
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Full House
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Well, this seemed to me like a good flop. I didn't think it likely that he'd call pf with anything with a 9 (maybe 99, but how likely is that?).
I'd found that at this table with flops like this even a half-pot bet was getting everyone to fold on the flop so I decided to follow his check.
In retrospect my hand isn't strong enough to slow play. But I thought it was and I wanted to try to keep him in.
I bet on the turn, he shouldn't be able to fold to that.
When the river card came I was fairly confident he didn't have a flush (most likely he has Ax or a PP and he can't have that AND have two spades).
I make a large bet hoping he'll call (seeing this as a bluff of a flush).
And I didn't believe his check-raise. The river did not help him so I call it.
I was right too. The river didn't help him. He held A9.
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nutsinho
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When you make a huge overbet and get raised, and you basically have a mediocre hand, you should fold unless you have a good read on the player indicating that you should do otherwise.
Don't make overbets when a solid player will fold all worse hands.
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Anosmic
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Your probably right. I don't give this level enough respect. Again I just couldn't see that river helping him (Qx suited or KK are the only real possibilities- both seem unlkely).
If I'd thought enough I'd have seen that A9 may have called me at this level.
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bdawg56kg
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I usually bet this flop, but I don't know why everyone is getting all up in his face for checking. In a raised pot, the possibility of a flush draw goes way down, so this is probably a WA/WB situation. We are not exactly looking to play for stacks on this board, are we? On the turn, I would bet closer to pot, like $0.22, and river another 3/4 pot. I fold this pretty quickly to the river cr too. You are almost always beat here, especially when you overbet the pot AND get checkraised.
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In retrospect my hand isn't strong enough to slow play. But I thought it was and I wanted to try to keep him in.
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Don't think of it as slowplaying, because that's not what the purpose of the flop check is for. It's to control the pot size in case you are beat, which will help to get to showdown cheaper (a good thing). Also, it somewhat disguises the strength of your hand, and allows weaker hands to pay you off on future streets (ie weaker aces or pocket pairs). And lastly, it is to mix up your game so that your opponents realize that a flop check from you after raising preflop is not necessarily a whiff or monster. You are capable of doing this with marginal hands too.
Since you are probably just starting out, you should get used to c-betting most of the time and save this "fancier" stuff for when you get more experience, but it doens't hurt to experiment.
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piratepeaty
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
I usually bet this flop, but I don't know why everyone is getting all up in his face for checking. In a raised pot, the possibility of a flush draw goes way down, so this is probably a WA/WB situation. We are not exactly looking to play for stacks on this board, are we? On the turn, I would bet closer to pot, like $0.22, and river another 3/4 pot. I fold this pretty quickly to the river cr too. You are almost always beat here, especially when you overbet the pot AND get checkraised.
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In retrospect my hand isn't strong enough to slow play. But I thought it was and I wanted to try to keep him in.
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Don't think of it as slowplaying, because that's not what the purpose of the flop check is for. It's to control the pot size in case you are beat, which will help to get to showdown cheaper (a good thing). Also, it somewhat disguises the strength of your hand, and allows weaker hands to pay you off on future streets (ie weaker aces or pocket pairs). And lastly, it is to mix up your game so that your opponents realize that a flop check from you after raising preflop is not necessarily a whiff or monster. You are capable of doing this with marginal hands too.
Since you are probably just starting out, you should get used to c-betting most of the time and save this "fancier" stuff for when you get more experience, but it doens't hurt to experiment. 
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I don't like a WA/WB line here. Most hands that villian holds we are ahead of, we are behind any nine, and an AA. Worse hands aren't betting too often but may call on this board.
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Miffed22001
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bet your made hand, fold if he starts throwing out massive bets when it is possible you could be beat.
As fnord notes, in a tough game theres potential for a check on the flop, here theres no reason.
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