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retro69
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03-01-2007, 02:09 PM
Post subject: AK OOP Against Re-raiser and bets on all streets
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Villan was fairly loose 33/16 over 250 hands or so. Nothing specific noted about him, most hands were mined.
Should I call that river after bets on all streets? or maybe a re-raise on the 1/2 pot turn bet? or a re-raise on the flop to see where i am? These are the kind of hands i have problems with, id appreciate any input.
Note this isent a 6-max game table we just had some people sitting out at the time.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Hero: $25
UTG+1: $26.90
CO: $24.90
Button: $16
SB: $45.75
BB: $16.75
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A  K
Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, SB raises to $1.25, BB folds, Hero calls.
Flop: Q K  6 ($2.75, 2 players)
SB bets $2.75, Hero calls.
Turn: 7  ($8.25, 2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls.
River: 7 ($16.25, 2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero ??
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Drewbie
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Raise the flop.
As played, Fold river.
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seoul_child1
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as played i CALL easily... next time get aggressive with this type of hand against that type of player and 3-bet him Pre-flop then raise somewhere!!
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apunisher
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icallthisriver,dontthinkthereismuchvalueinaminrais e
lol,myspacebarisnotworkingforsomereason
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Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by apunisher
icallthisriver,dontthinkthereismuchvalueinaminrais e
lol,myspacebarisnotworkingforsomereason
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lol
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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retro69
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Thanks for the advice, i think i realise now i played the whole thing way too passively against an aggressive player that could have had pretty much anything. I find AK difficult to play, but when i do hit my hand i really should be at least re-raising the flop or preflop.
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jyms
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You have to get more money in earlier with this hand. The 7 is a scare card that makes you think of folding when really you never showed any aggression the whole time, Viliian has Qx as easily as KQ here and you have not defined your hand at all. His aggression on the river could just be a mid PP thinking you missed your FD. I call.
I'd also start raiseng Pre at least a $1, and from UTG or I think I'd raise even more.
One other thing, It doesn't matter if there are 14 players sitting out, if you only have 6 being dealt, it's 6 max and play accordingly, if everyone sits out and your HU you play accordingly.
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zook
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I don't see what you beat here that re-raises pre-flop and bets all 3 streets. I'd raise to $1 pf, but otherwise I like how you played it, since you're wa/wb the whole way. I fold the river without a post-flop read.
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jyms
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I really don't see how adding 2BB is a reraise, It's more a pot sweetener for a mid PP. i think this could easilly be 99,TT, JJ, hell even another AK, but you can easily see why just calling that small reraise puts you in a world of hurt.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
I really don't see how adding 2BB is a reraise, It's more a pot sweetener for a mid PP. i think this could easilly be 99,TT, JJ, hell even another AK, but you can easily see why just calling that small reraise puts you in a world of hurt.
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I dunno, I've seen lots of bad players re-raise small with premiums so they don't "lose you". I don't mind 4-betting pre-flop, but I don't think it's necessary since he has position. Honestly, I play this hand almost identically and just fold the river.
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jyms
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Originally Posted by zook
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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
I really don't see how adding 2BB is a reraise, It's more a pot sweetener for a mid PP. i think this could easilly be 99,TT, JJ, hell even another AK, but you can easily see why just calling that small reraise puts you in a world of hurt.
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I dunno, I've seen lots of bad players re-raise small with premiums so they don't "lose you". I don't mind 4-betting pre-flop, but I don't think it's necessary since he has position. Honestly, I play this hand almost identically and just fold the river. |
Can you explain what happens on the river that makes you fold, that had you call on the turn?? I'm not questioning it but I don't see it.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
Can you explain what happens on the river that makes you fold, that had you call on the turn?? I'm not questioning it but I don't see it.
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Well, I could fold to the turn bet really, but for 1/2-pot I want to make sure he isn't second-barreling me. By the river, I just can't find many hands we beat. Maybe a busted flush draw, AdQd/AdJd? AQ/KJ would really surprise me, AK is a def possibility. I'm not saying this is an easy fold, it's definitely close, esp given his fishy pre-flop numbers. I just don't think you see many 3-barrel bluffs here.
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jyms
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Ok then, maybe my problem ist that most 33/16's I run into that bet like this are 3.5% AF as opposed to 1.1%AF so he'll bet his draws or his KJ the same way. Maybe it'll come down to other stats and players for me and my call then, I guess it's the image we have of a 33/16
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zook
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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
Maybe it'll come down to other stats and players for me and my call then, I guess it's the image we have of a 33/16
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Yeah, it's close enough that, without a read, a pfa stat would make my decision for me.
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seoul_child1
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Correction, HERO has position on villain!!
and Hero's hand is way under-repped, a river laydown would be totally Weaksauce!!!
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retro69
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From the 300 hands i have records of him:
Preflop Raise 16% Call 20%
Flop Aggression - 1.3
Turn - 2.6
River - 4.4
Total - 1.9
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nutsinho
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call river please
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