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Borax
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08-28-2006, 08:16 AM
Post subject: AK meets resistance on K97 flop
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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
10 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $8.45
UTG+1: $47.25
UTG+2: $68
MP1: $52.50
MP2: $56.95
MP3: $106.55
Hero: $48.90
Button: $50.50
SB: $53.25
BB: $49.50
Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with A K
5 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises to $2, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, MP3 calls.
Flop: K 7 9 ($6.5, 3 players)
SB bets $3, MP3 calls, Hero raises to $9, SB calls, MP3 calls.
Turn: 6 ($33.5, 3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero
Read SB: TAA (16.6/7.8)
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Miffed22001
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i tend to bet 15 and fold if he wants to push.
What do you know about him for a half pot lead to represent? Just a mid pair or something like KQ?
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Borax
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
i tend to bet 15 and fold if he wants to push.
What do you know about him for a half pot lead to represent? Just a mid pair or something like KQ?
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My set alarm bell was ringing very loudly and I suspected that the SB would bet into me with a set of 9's or 7's here. I think I should have raised to 12$ due to the second caller? With both of them calling the raise with a K showing and no flush draws on the table makes me I feel that I am allready behind here. But maybe I still have to bet again? Would a check to see what they do on the river be too chicken?
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'Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.'
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Borax
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
i tend to bet 15 and fold if he wants to push.
What do you know about him for a half pot lead to represent? Just a mid pair or something like KQ?
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My set alarm bell was ringing very loudly and I suspected that the SB would bet into me with a set of 9's or 7's here. I think I should have raised to 12$ due to the second caller? With both of them calling the raise with a K showing and no flush draws on the table makes me I feel that I am allready behind here. But maybe I still have to bet again? Would a check to see what they do on the river be too chicken?
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It wouldnt be chicken, its just that you will repetedly see players leading into Kxx flops after a pfr raise because they think you dont have a K but normally think you have a Q on Qxx.
I think betting for value here is more important vs pot control vs a set. Is your opponent really good enough to lead/call a raise on the flop and then c/r turn with a set? If he is then certainly check behind, if not im betting for value becuase KQ probably thinks your full of s**t here too often.
Also, if opp is TAA type, he may have 98s or something similar a lot of the time here putting you on whiffed AQ.
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Rondavu
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This is a very interesting hand. What makes or breaks you in this game is surely a spot like this. My question is.. Who are these people?
Without a range you have to almost flip a coin in this spot. You got one guy leading. He's tight aggressive. He's not leading into you with a draw, because there isn't a reasonable one for his range on that flop when he's OOP. His most likely range is 99, 77, KQs.
What about MP3? You have someone making massive overcalls while being sandwiched by the betting, you better know who they are. Overcalls are fishy chasers or the bust bomb against TPTK hands. Gotta know which.
All things considered, I'm checking behind the turn. You're often beat in this spot. See a river and decide whether to showdown or not. This is my suggestion. Though it seems like a crime to let one fly off the deck, if you put another dime in, you're committed to a pot you aren't logically winning on the turn.
I could certainly be wrong.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Borax
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08-28-2006, 09:18 PM
Post subject: Re: AK meets resistance on K97 flop
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Thank you for interesting thoughts. I appreciate it
Next step of the hand went like this:
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Originally Posted by Borax
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
10 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $8.45
UTG+1: $47.25
UTG+2: $68
MP1: $52.50
MP2: $56.95
MP3: $106.55
Hero: $48.90
Button: $50.50
SB: $53.25
BB: $49.50
Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with A  K 
5 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises to $2, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, MP3 calls.
Flop: K  7  9  ($6.5, 3 players)
SB bets $3, MP3 calls, Hero raises to $9, SB calls, MP3 calls.
Turn: 6  ($33.5, 3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero
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Hero checks
River: T ($33.5, 3 players)
SB bets $12, MP3 folds, Hero
Read SB: TAA (16.6/7.8) ~ 100 hands, PT
Read MP3: LAP (50/8.6) ~ 50 hands, PT
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'Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.'
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Miffed22001
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easy river showdown.
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Rondavu
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Very easy call
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Borax
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ok, thanks guys. I actually folded here, being very sure that I was behind. After a while I wasn't so sure anymore and posted the hand here. So, thanks for pointing out my mistake
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'Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.'
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Renton
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i don't think i raise the flop
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Borax
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Originally Posted by Renton
i don't think i raise the flop
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You just try to call all the way? Shouldn't I raise for information on this flop?
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'Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.'
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relayer
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
This is a very interesting hand. What makes or breaks you in this game is surely a spot like this. My question is.. Who are these people?
Without a range you have to almost flip a coin in this spot. You got one guy leading. He's tight aggressive. He's not leading into you with a draw, because there isn't a reasonable one for his range on that flop when he's OOP. His most likely range is 99, 77, KQs.
What about MP3? You have someone making massive overcalls while being sandwiched by the betting, you better know who they are. Overcalls are fishy chasers or the bust bomb against TPTK hands. Gotta know which.
All things considered, I'm checking behind the turn. You're often beat in this spot. See a river and decide whether to showdown or not. This is my suggestion. Though it seems like a crime to let one fly off the deck, if you put another dime in, you're committed to a pot you aren't logically winning on the turn.
I could certainly be wrong.
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All way 'round, this is excellent IMO.
NH sir.
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