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Old 02-05-2007, 12:06 PM     Post subject: AK EP facing RR PF 25NL #1 (permalink)  
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i just arrived before villian. his stats havent shown up but ive played many hands vs him and he seems like a winning player at this level.

Whats your line PF and post

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MP1 ($11.45)
MP2 ($20)
CO ($23.60)
Button ($45.90)
SB ($31.25)
BB ($31.90)
Hero ($25.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO raises to $2.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $7, CO calls $4.50.

Flop: ($14.60) 9, 3, 3 (2 players)
Hero ????????
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:04 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:18 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Don't 4 bet AK in this spot preflop. If you don't know someone, and you find yourself 4 betting AK preflop OOP against them, then you have something wrong with your game.

There are certainly times to do it. Most of those times will occur at higher levels than 25NL against an aggressive solid shark who tries to isolate you with a light range.

At 25NL, the only range you're ahead of is an aggressive maniac range. In that case you smooth call to maximize implied odds, because they make too many mistakes after the flop to discourage them preflop.
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:21 PM #4 (permalink)  
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An argument can be made for a preflop shove over his reraise a la Sklanksy. At least you get to see 5 cards this way.

You either have to check/fold or raise to 11 and call a push. Open pushing looks like you want him to go away, thus he would call it with more, so it's not a good option.

I'd check fold.
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:27 PM #5 (permalink)  
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sorry for not including additional info. by good player here i also meant he seems to be able to pick up on weakness and play trickeish. in the past he has played some non standard style at times. he'd also know id raise most time in EP but not only with premiums.

i DONT or WONT do this vs others. this is the first time ive done this so dont worry guys.
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:46 PM #6 (permalink)  
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He probably has an overpair here so he won't be easily pushed around on that flop. In best chance, he has AK or, MAYBE, AQ. not a great chance he has AQ so you are probably behind and you 'probably couldn't push him artound. But I would be very tempted to c bet here, even though you don't have a lot of folding equity. But I think it is a mistake to c bet.
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Old 02-05-2007, 05:04 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 All-in preflop, or just call to see if you hit the flop. That pre-flop 3 raise put you in a tough position, and I wouldn't even do that with aces or kings, cause you're advertising too much. Me personally, I'm all in preflop if i get reraised with AK, unless opp is super duper tight. Wanna see all five...

But now that you are where you are... you're stuck. The pot is too big now... You could make one last stab with a very quick 7 dollar bet on the flop (and give up if there's any resistance), but most likely he has jacks or queens and he's not going anywhere.
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Old 02-05-2007, 05:19 PM #8 (permalink)  
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well how do you play the hand if you have AA or KK, this is what im trying to tell opp i have. he is smart enough to think.
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Old 02-05-2007, 05:37 PM #9 (permalink)  
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well how do you play the hand if you have AA or KK, this is what im trying to tell opp i have. he is smart enough to think.
Does he know that you're smart? That's the real question... Just think about the situation for a sec... it's all about information, right? By you 3 betting preflop he can easily put you on a big hand... aces, kings queens or AK, but with his smooth call, you don't really know what he has, and he has position on you. So with the situation you put yourself in, he has the advantage from the beginning.

You want to rep AA or KK then you have to throw out a c-bet (7-10 bucks?), but at these stakes 10-10 thorugh QQ isn't going anywhere on that flop, and you just have to be aware of that.

If I had AA or KK in that spot... After his preflop reraise... I either take a very long pause and push (more likely with the KK), or flat call and check raise the flop. Or lead the flop with a weak bet so that he puts me on some low/mid pair or something... Just me though.... and not all the time...
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Old 02-05-2007, 08:08 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 fold preflop, AK is really weak against a 25nl stars reraising range.
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Old 02-05-2007, 08:28 PM #11 (permalink)  
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fold preflop, AK is really weak against a 25nl stars reraising range.
lol, i don't play cash on stars, it's an easy push on bodog though.
but still, you seriously fold AK here preflop? Guess I need to start playing 25nl on stars and reraising a whole bunch.
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Old 02-05-2007, 11:06 PM #12 (permalink)  
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fold preflop, AK is really weak against a 25nl stars reraising range.
hmm i dunno what to say, you sure??

BTW opp is smart and im sure he keeps stats and mine are tight. when he calls i put him on JJ,QQ, AK, KK. but i think he could fold if i represent huge strength plus im in so far now that check/fold sucks.
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