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Greedo017

09-09-2005, 05:21 AM Post subject: ak big time flop

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no read on cropduster, other guy was a typical mediocre taggish type person.

***** Hand History for Game 2679844819 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 09, 00:40:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 54785 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: annahelen ( $23.40 )
Seat 2: cropduster37 ( $111.45 )
Seat 3: Phyein ( $89.85 )
Seat 4: imsoshiesty ( $97.50 )
Seat 6: Nicholson567 ( $271.80 )
Seat 7: ToesOnTheNos ( $63.60 )
Seat 8: dsrtflopper ( $98 )
Seat 9: Cheater66636 ( $110.95 )
Seat 10: TiffyNL ( $92 )
Seat 5: boogerballz ( $99 )
dsrtflopper posts small blind [$0.50].
Cheater66636 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to imsoshiesty [ Kc As ]
TiffyNL folds.
annahelen folds.
cropduster37 raises [$4].
Phyein folds.
imsoshiesty calls [$4].
boogerballz folds.
>You have options at Table 36647 Table!.
Nicholson567 calls [$4].
ToesOnTheNos folds.
dsrtflopper folds.
Cheater66636 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Qc, Ks ]
cropduster37 checks.
imsoshiesty bets [$7].
Nicholson567 calls [$7].
cropduster37 raises [$35].
imsoshiesty ?

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DaNutsInYoEye

09-09-2005, 05:27 AM

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Push, he has at best two lower pair.

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Fnord

09-09-2005, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

Push, he has at best two lower pair.

Leads pre-flop then check/raises the flop. Throw in a smooth call on a scary board and I would want to vommit right there...

AA/KK/QQ/AK/AQ/KQ bluff maybe 5%

Board: Ac Qc Ks
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)
Hand 1: 33.9562 % [ 00.24 00.10 ] { AA-QQ, AKs-AQs, KQs, AKo-AQo, KQo }
Hand 2: 66.0438 % [ 00.56 00.10 ] { AsKc }

If he can't laydown AQ/KQ then yeah, it's a push...

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bencathers

09-09-2005, 07:10 AM

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Two pair. No way 10-J plays like this. Absolutely no way. AQ is my guess. PUUUUUSH

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DimitriT

09-09-2005, 12:39 PM

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I don't like the looks of this hand. I would call and see what he does on the turn. The check raise overbet is a very odd play here with both flush and straight draws. He probably figured one of you was certain to bet with that board. A steal is also a possibility with the weak lead bets.

I would have bet the full pot here. I think that would have given me a better sense of my opp's strength and defined my hand. I realize you want action here but you have to leave open the possibility that you are beat and the only way you can figure that out is by watching how they react to strength.

biondino

09-09-2005, 12:45 PM

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QQ is my guess.

Surf_Thug

09-09-2005, 02:42 PM

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I'd say QQ also, but I'm still not sure If I could lay this hand down..

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Fnord

09-09-2005, 04:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bencathers

Two pair. No way 10-J plays like this.

The flop smooth call could very easily be JT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

biondino

09-09-2005, 04:22 PM

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You are up against two opponents, one a smooth caller, the other someone who raises after two significant bets. You have 4 outs (less if the raiser has AA or KK) against anything that they would bet with. A painful fold.

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09-09-2005, 05:03 PM

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Does anyone else want to re-raise the UTG raiser pre flop ? with AKo i will usually make that 12$ to go there and fold to a push or significant re-raise. Taking a flop with AKo to an UTG raiser is tricky because he can check raise you on almost any flop whether you hit or miss (If he has AA or KK and one of those falls on the flop, you have TPTK but he dominates you with a set)...Thats how i always feel about UTG raises anyway. Is this a bad line?

For the post flop play, tricky. If i'm betting this flop its gonna be the pot. 7$ just looks so weak you could have came in with Ax suited and be holding a weak A after the pre flop raiser checks to you. The call by Nicholson says draw to me. Villains raise is standard for if he has a hand and wants to get paid, or if he's on a bluff because he smelled weakness....I think its a toss up here, push or fold. If you just call the turn is going to bring an even harder decision unless it makes you a boat.

Greedo017

09-09-2005, 09:23 PM

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i disagree that betting 7 changed anything. He checked with the intention of check-raising, betting 10 instead of 7 wasn't going to make him suddenly back off.

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