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AFchung
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06-23-2009, 09:14 AM
Post subject: AK att to steal 3bet pot
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Villain is 27/19. Only 58 hands on him but he has an 11% 3bet and a 33% fold BB to steal
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
SB ($61.05)
BB ($50)
UTG ($79.25)
UTG+1 ($66.15)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($44.50)
CO ($84.20)
Hero (Button) ($50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , K
5 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.50
Flop: ($10.25) 7, 8, K (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6
Turn: ($22.25) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $39 (All-In)
Total pot: $46.25 | Rake: $2.25
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texa8
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this is fine. im not sure what the question is?
even against his strongest range here we have outs..
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mxiu
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ez 4-bet pre, jam flop
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thizzSantaCruz
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If you are going to call PF, call the turn and call all rivers. Bet when checked to.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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ATOTHEC101
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Played the hand fine, I 4 bet pre nearly always in this spot tho.
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kmind
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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
If you are going to call PF, call the turn and call all rivers. Bet when checked to.
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AFchung
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why would we 4bet pre when we can keep his range wider and have position?
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badgers
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Originally Posted by kmind
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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
If you are going to call PF, call the turn and call all rivers. Bet when checked to.
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TonyB73
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Originally Posted by AFchung
why would we 4bet pre when we can keep his range wider and have position?
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Interesting question. I struggle with this too, and it leads to me often flat in position with strong hands rather than 3-bet, but I'm not sure thats a good thing.
I think calling makes sense if you think you have a clear edge post-flop, otherwise its questionable. Unpaired hole cards miss the flop more often than they hit, and raising/3betting villains invariably cbet any flop, so you usually leave yourself with a difficult decision.
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mixchange
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Originally Posted by AFchung
why would we 4bet pre when we can keep his range wider and have position?
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because we miss 2/3s of the time on the flop and when an A or K hits and he doesn't have it its pretty tough for him to pay you. basically by flatting here you are often forced to c/f or make a risky RR on flop.
with his high 3betting % we take the pot down so much and force some of his hands that will outflop us 2/3 but may fold pre (mid pairs)
if you had a strong pair i would flat and let him hang himself. but we like to see 5 cards with AK
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mixchange
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Originally Posted by badgers
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Originally Posted by kmind
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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
If you are going to call PF, call the turn and call all rivers. Bet when checked to.
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agree with this also. you have the value of deception... there's no reason to try to take the lead from him. Its very important to let him continue to let him bluff with any marginal and air hands (this is a very important concept) and you basically have the nuts on this board. there is no river card we are not getting it in on...
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Seabass
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The more hands you have on him playing this aggro, the more I like to see a 4b rather then a call. But with a small sample I think either is fine.
Btw, whats the sample for 11% 3b over 58 hands?
Postflop I'm looking to call down, betting if he check. If I was raising I would do so on the flop. I would also like to know the reason behind the turn raise.
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ZwiFT
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The call pre is perfectly fine, we have position and we call nearly 100% of the flops. The last thing nl50 guys does is beeing tricky on the turn. So all eventual hits, scarecards and shit will come in our favour. Saying we miss this 2/3 is bs, since he can't see our holecards and we have position, we can hit boards close to 100% of the time.
Also most nl50 players get it in with KK+ to a 4bet, some might go down to QQ+AK if they have reason to stack looser.
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Originally Posted by ZwiFT
The call pre is perfectly fine, we have position and we call nearly 100% of the flops. The last thing nl50 guys does is beeing tricky on the turn. So all eventual hits, scarecards and shit will come in our favour. Saying we miss this 2/3 is bs, since he can't see our holecards and we have position, we can hit boards close to 100% of the time.
Also most nl50 players get it in with KK+ to a 4bet, some might go down to QQ+AK if they have reason to stack looser.
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stakes you are playing is not a read
personally I love barrelling the shit out of people in 3b pots
in fact I will barrel most of the time I bet the flop in a 3b pot
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BluffCheck
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i like the shove, i think you played it fine
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ZwiFT
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by ZwiFT
The call pre is perfectly fine, we have position and we call nearly 100% of the flops. The last thing nl50 guys does is beeing tricky on the turn. So all eventual hits, scarecards and shit will come in our favour. Saying we miss this 2/3 is bs, since he can't see our holecards and we have position, we can hit boards close to 100% of the time.
Also most nl50 players get it in with KK+ to a 4bet, some might go down to QQ+AK if they have reason to stack looser.
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stakes you are playing is not a read
personally I love barrelling the shit out of people in 3b pots
in fact I will barrel most of the time I bet the flop in a 3b pot |
Yes. It is
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surviva316
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as far as the 4betting discussion goes, isn't the whole reason for 3betting light is that even if you get called your bluffing hands get value against JJ+ AK+?
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mixchange
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Originally Posted by surviva316
as far as the 4betting discussion goes, isn't the whole reason for 3betting light is that even if you get called your bluffing hands get value against JJ+ AK+?
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no
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