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RevolverX
Old 05-11-2006, 12:09 AM     Post subject: Ahhh what did I do wrong?! #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #4893950612: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/05/10 - 19:52:15 (ET)
Table 'Ekard' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Lily*Diamond ($2.80 in chips)
Seat 2: theoharris ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Anatoliy ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Artanis1000 ($12.90 in chips)
theoharris: posts small blind $0.05
Hero: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [2d 2s]
alanrossoni leaves the table
Anatoliy: folds
Artanis1000: calls $0.10
Lily*Diamond: calls $0.10
theoharris: calls $0.05
Hero: checks

*** FLOP *** [2h 4c Jd]
theoharris: checks
Hero: checks
Artanis1000: checks
Lily*Diamond: bets $0.30
theoharris: calls $0.30
Hero: calls $0.30
Artanis1000: folds

*** TURN *** [2h 4c Jd] [Ah]
theoharris: checks
Hero: checks
Lily*Diamond: checks

*** RIVER *** [2h 4c Jd Ah] [Tc]
theoharris: bets $0.40
Hero: raises $1.20 to $1.60
Lily*Diamond: folds
theoharris: raises $1.90 to $3.50 and is all-in
Hero: calls $1.90

*** SHOW DOWN ***
theoharris: shows [4h 4s] (three of a kind, Fours)
Hero: mucks hand
theoharris collected $7.90 from pot

I hit my trips and I checked to build up the pot... but how could I have read that I was beat the whole time?
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Old 05-11-2006, 12:15 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 You couldn't. Set to overset means you lose your stack. And bet the turn next time.. "checking to build a pot" makes no sense, you need to bet if you want to build a pot..
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Old 05-11-2006, 12:49 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Jacks right, if you can fold this hand: it's a leak. (at these limits)
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RevolverX
Old 05-11-2006, 12:58 AM #4 (permalink)  
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But how would I know I was beat? Based on the villain's play the whole time (call and check as well) how do I read he has a higher set as well and wasnt just drawing?
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Old 05-11-2006, 01:23 AM #5 (permalink)  

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What would he be drawing to, on a flop like that? The only draw on the flop would be 35 for the OESD, which completes on the turn. There's no flush draw on the flop.

There's no way to know he has a higher set. It happens.

Def bet the turn as someone else said.
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Old 05-11-2006, 01:40 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 raise flop bet turn bet river, folding or figuring out you're beat isn't an option here. take one and have another.
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Old 05-11-2006, 05:26 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Raising the flop is a judgement call, personally I wouldn't do it with 22, but others might. You really should have made a .30 bet on the flop. If the guy behind you c/r you then you can at least get all your money in on the flop.

Set over set happens. There's very little you can do about it, it takes exception reads to figure out you are behind. (i.e. An extremly tight person who only pushes with nuts pushes on that flop.)

Consider it good luck that he only had $4 instead of $10. Seriously.

For now, I only play at low stakes ($5, $10) and slow playing with a vunerable hand (like a set) does more damage. At low stakes people like to call, so make healthy bets, don't let them draw into a hand that beats you no matter how fluky (like a very reasonable KQ in your example).
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:20 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Raise flop. Bet turn. Bet river
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Old 05-11-2006, 06:01 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I'm wondering Yorib, how are you playing hands like KQ KJ QJ and AT in the micro stakes when you miss the flop and you are OOP?

Cbetting with these hands seems in OOP seems to be a huge leak in my play.
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Old 05-11-2006, 06:25 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
You couldn't (know you were beat). Set to overset means you lose your stack. And bet the turn next time.. "checking to build a pot" makes no sense, you need to bet if you want to build a pot..
Then you said...

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But how would I know I was beat?
I think you're missing the point entirely. Are you looking for an excuse to fold a set? Just for shits and giggles, say you are really good at detecting oversets, and you fold each time you think someone has one. 3 out of 5 times you will still be wrong (and I'm being generous) which will result in lost $$$. I fold lower sets in Omaha. I destack with them in NLHE.
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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
 
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EricE
Old 05-11-2006, 06:33 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Don't fold sets to just oversets. Maybe fold to FH and straights but people can play lots of stuff like sets...over played Two Pair, overplayed TPTK, flush draws, etc.
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