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Old 12-17-2005, 07:57 AM     Post subject: AA w/ 2 callers on a Draw Heavy Board #1 (permalink)  
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GAME #1158080290 - (BLINDS $0.05/$0.10) NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD'EM - 2005/12/17-02:41:16.5 (CST)
Table "Oeiras" (real money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: easypickinzz ($7.80 in chips)
Seat 2: tusoito ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 3: dude25 ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 4: mamilinda ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 5: RBmann17 ($42.71 in chips)
Seat 6: marko tt ($6.65 in chips)
Seat 7: The Hov ($17.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Dustinhc ($5.55 in chips)
Seat 10: DaWhittler ($7.45 in chips)
easypickinzz: Post Small Blind ($0.05)
tusoito : Post Big Blind ($0.10)
Dealing...
Dealt to DaWhittler [ Ac ]
Dealt to DaWhittler [ Ah ]
dude25 : Call ($0.10)
mamilinda: Fold
RBmann17: Fold
marko tt: Fold
The Hov : Call ($0.10)
Dustinhc: Fold
DaWhittler: Raise ($0.60)
easypickinzz: Fold
Dustinhc said, "DAMN JJJ"
tusoito : Call ($0.50)
dude25 : Fold
The Hov : Call ($0.50)
*** FLOP *** : [ Qh Jh 9c ]
Dustinhc said, "NH"
tusoito : Bet ($0.45)
The Hov : Call ($0.45)
DaWhittler: Raise ($6.85) If I don't bet enough its going to give them the odds to call, Then again they could already have a straight
tusoito : Fold
The Hov : Call ($6.40)
*** TURN *** : [ Qh Jh 9c ] [ 6s ]
*** RIVER *** : [ Qh Jh 9c 6s ] [ 8s ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $15.30 | Rake: $0.80
Board: [ Qh Jh 9c 6s 8s ]
easypickinzz lost $0.05 (folded)
tusoito lost $1.05 (folded)
dude25 lost $0.10 (folded)
mamilinda didn't bet (folded)
RBmann17 didn't bet (folded)
marko tt didn't bet (folded)
The Hov bet $7.45, collected $15.30, net +$7.85 (showed hand) [ 9h Ts ] (a straight, eight to queen)
Dustinhc didn't bet (folded)
DaWhittler lost $7.45 (showed hand) [ Ac Ah ] (a pair of aces)
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:00 AM #2 (permalink)  
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In a spot like that I would just call the flop and push a clean turn.
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Old 12-17-2005, 05:41 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I think the push on the flop is OK. The reason is that there aren't many turns that are clean.
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At these limits the play isn't that bad, because you will usually find somebody more than willing to put their stack in as an underdog. If I was playing 25 NL or up then I wouldn't make this move, because you're not getting called by somebody unless they have at least two pair or at the worst a great drawing hand like 9hTh on this board. But you will find donkeys who frequently put money in when they're behind at these limits, so it's a decent play here.
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Old 12-18-2005, 07:57 AM #5 (permalink)  
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At these limits the play isn't that bad, because you will usually find somebody more than willing to put their stack in as an underdog. If I was playing 25 NL or up then I wouldn't make this move, because you're not getting called by somebody unless they have at least two pair or at the worst a great drawing hand like 9hTh on this board. But you will find donkeys who frequently put money in when they're behind at these limits, so it's a decent play here.
So what your saying is I'm making it too easy for a non drawing hand to fold. I feel like sometimes I am too agressive, probably cutting my winnings when I'm ahead - I just don't want to give a free card on a flop like this.

In a higher stakes game, a better line would be to raise to $2.25 say, enough for TPTK to call but if they are drawing, still making them make a bad call? Then push the turn on a clean card (hopefully a smart player would realize he has a slim chance of hitting with one card to go). I always get confused in this area when its 3 handed.
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Old 12-18-2005, 10:16 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I still think that the push is just fine. Top pair is a draw too!

You just can't make "nice raises" on a flop like this, keeping everyone in and expecting to come out on top with AA. Like you played it you got the exact right result, you isolated the draw giving yourself a good all-in situation.

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