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zook
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02-09-2007, 07:13 AM
Post subject: AA vs. unknown
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No stats, no reads on CO. MP2 is a solid tagg I've played with a lot, capable of floating, bluff raising, etc. I've been aggressive at this table.
Do you lead this turn? As played?
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $1/$2 - 8 players - Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $203
UTG+1: $235
Hero: $411
MP2: $189
CO: $230.40
Button: $131.60
SB: $201.40
BB: $163.80
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with A A
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, MP2 calls, CO calls, 3 folds.
Flop: J 9 5 ($27, 3 players)
Hero bets $20, MP2 calls, CO calls.
Turn: 3 ($87, 3 players)
Hero bets $60, MP2 folds, CO raises to $180, Hero...
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Ash256
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I hate the idea of mucking, but that is a total set line.
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bode
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i hate to fold this, but against an unknown i think i do. that is a typ set line.
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BankItDrew
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i see a desperate drawing hand. fold or push, i push.
i can't see villain slowplaying here on a huge drawing board aainst two opponents . this is hardly a +ev decision on the flop.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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Slowplaying a set on the flop would be a +EV decision, since Hero isn't representing a drawing hand MOST of the time when he leads out with a bet that would be a marginal call with a drawing hand. So, calling that bet (when you can assume villan isn't on a drawing hand) is +EV since you will probably face another bet from a weaker hand on the turn than by raising and defining your hand when you are already so far ahead and risk losing your opponent. He raises the turn with a set because if he calls he probably isn't extracting too much more money from hero other than with a small value bet. This is the only chance villan has to convince hero he might be bluffing. This is a set line, and very likely is not a drawing hand.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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Flop: J 9 5 ($27, 3 players)
Hero bets $20, MP2 calls, CO calls.
I missed that, and it does change the hand. Now i would call.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
Flop: J 9 5 ($27, 3 players)
Hero bets $20, MP2 calls, CO calls.
I missed that, and it does change the hand. Now i would call.
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It does make a big difference. Seems unlikely a set would flat call on this drawy board.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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What did you think he had when he raised the turn Zook?
Did you push?
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zook
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
What did you think he had when he raised the turn Zook? Did you push?
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I didn't know. I figured an unknown's range was KK/QQ/J9s/set/draw... I was pretty confused b/c of the flop action. I pushed and he showed JJ.
I think he played this badly, b/c I could have found a fold to this line (or if the flush hit), but would almost never find one if he pushes the flop.
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