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CrunchyNuts

08-27-2006, 02:57 AM Post subject: AA vs Agression

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BB ($23.90)
UTG ($4.65)
UTG+1 ($4.40)
UTG+2 ($25.40)
MP1 ($24.90)
MP2 ($43.47)
MP3 ($71.85)
CO ($3)
Hero ($41.65)
SB ($19.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, A

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
5 folds, MP3 raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1.25, CO folds.

Flop: ($5.10) 8

, T

, K

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $3, MP3 raises to $12, Hero ???

PT says this fella is 26/15, agressive post.

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Dr_Giggles

08-27-2006, 03:07 AM

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26/15 after how many hands?

26/15 is typically right in the stat range for a TAG player. I may have gave him credit for a set and folded this if I had a half decent hand sample. He could easily have KKK or TTT judging by that aggression combined with 26/15 stats.

How did this end up?

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08-27-2006, 03:11 AM

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Small sample, ~60 hands. Will post my play later.

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08-27-2006, 03:13 AM

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i though a tag is 20/10 or close to that. he must be raising some serious junk to have a PFR of 15

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08-27-2006, 03:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Giggles

26/15 after how many hands?

26/15 is typically right in the stat range for a TAG player.

No sir.

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08-27-2006, 03:18 AM

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26/15 is typically right in the stat range for a TAG player.

Not full table.

I hammer this flop. AK/KQ/QJ/4-flush are highly likely holdings. I just commit on the flop and take out the guesswork.

edit: I'd just re-raise all-in. I don't like any other amount.

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08-27-2006, 03:28 AM

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Fnord, how often do you stack off on an overpair?

Is your play in this hand based on a likely range of holdings (plus the fact it's a c/r "get out of the hand" rather than a "please raise me" donk bet?)?

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Dr_Giggles

08-27-2006, 03:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Giggles

26/15 is typically right in the stat range for a TAG player.

Not full table.

I hammer this flop. AK/KQ/QJ/4-flush are highly likely holdings. I just commit on the flop and take out the guesswork.

edit: I'd just re-raise all-in. I don't like any other amount.

Totally my bad, I thought I was posting in the 6-max section, for full ring it should be about 15/7, whoooooooooops.

Change of verdict, push this guy back, hard!

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08-27-2006, 03:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blinky

Fnord, how often do you stack off on an overpair?

*shrug* I paid off trips for about 70bb earlier today. My opponent could have gotten more if he didn't run a funny line. AA still is my biggest winner and it's not even close.

Quote:

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Is your play in this hand based on a likely range of holdings (plus the fact it's a c/r "get out of the hand" rather than a "please raise me" donk bet?)?

Yeah, I don't think he wants a call, fail that I think we at least have outs.

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CrunchyNuts

08-27-2006, 03:44 AM

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The c/r confused the crap out of me...I believe if he had KK pre-flop, he would have pushed it then instead of waiting. TT is about the only hand that makes sense to a regular opp, but given the laggy-ness, we could be dealing with anything from air to KT. I aim to disappoint him and call.

Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($29.10) 8

(2 players)
MP3 bets $30.91, Hero ???

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08-27-2006, 04:01 AM

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You had to know that was comming....

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08-27-2006, 04:02 AM

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Figured a bet was inevitable, but hatchiemachie...

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Dr_Giggles

08-27-2006, 04:02 AM

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Time for results, what happened?

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08-27-2006, 04:03 AM

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A lot of this comes down to if you think he's good or just aggressive.

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CrunchyNuts

08-27-2006, 04:09 AM

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Dr_Giggles isn't very patient =)

But you're right Fnord...the turn card doesn't change a damn thing. I still think I'm ahead, 'cause it just doesn't make any damn sense.

Hero calls $27.65 (All-In).

River: ($87.66) 3

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $87.66

Villain shows [ :Qd:, :Td: ] two pairs, tens and eights.

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Dr_Giggles

08-27-2006, 04:24 AM

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Yah I'm a pain in the ass, lol.

Good for you, nice takedown vs. this donk, grats!!!!

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08-27-2006, 05:07 AM

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reraise to at least 3 here preflop and get all in on the flop

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08-27-2006, 06:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Giggles

Yah I'm a pain in the ass, lol.

Good for you, nice takedown vs. this donk, grats!!!!

Donk?

I don't think villain played this hand at all like a donk. He was priced in preflop after his inital raise, and then he picked up pair + flush draw. I don't think there's anything donkish about villain raising with the best hand on the flop (According to cardplayers odds calculater he's 51% to win here against AA) and even on the missed turn I think him playing it strong is fine. Bettting the turn strong after re-raising the flop is a very effective line to take IMO especially considering the way you played it (not pushing that flop like many, me included would have).
Obviously the turn is a horrible card for villain because it conterfeits his Queen outs, but I still don't think he played this at all like a donk. He has a strong hand, that could be a set, he lost the race and you won the hand.

Hmm...one other thing. I think you definitely need to push that non-diamond turn (you're supposed to pay off sets at these limits if that's what you're worried about

). You're killing too many of his likely holdings (including the one he actually had on the turn) to play it passively.

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08-27-2006, 07:36 AM

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What parts do the deep stacks play in this situation?

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08-27-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr_Giggles

Good for you, nice takedown vs. this donk, grats!!!!

Was not donk play

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Fnord

08-27-2006, 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blinky

Fnord, how often do you stack off on an overpair?

Two hands from tonight

Resonably mediocre opponent

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BB ($96.20)
UTG ($152.50)
MP ($89.55)
Button ($125.95)
Fnord ($102.40)

Preflop: Fnord is SB with A

, A

.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Fnord raises to $4, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($9) 2

, J

, 3

(2 players)
Fnord bets $6, UTG raises to $12, Fnord calls $6.

Turn: ($33) T

(2 players)
Fnord checks, UTG bets $16, Fnord raises to $40, UTG calls $24.

River: ($113) 3

(2 players)
Fnord bets $46.4 (All-In), UTG calls $46.40.

Opponent on this one has been at my table for a while. Made a pretty amazing laydown against me and is running a 5% pfr. I also think he's being careful in my pots at this point.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($40.50)
BB ($133.60)
UTG ($141.65)
MP ($69.60)
CO ($70.85)
Fnord ($296.95)

Preflop: Fnord is Button with K

, K

.
UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, Fnord raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG raises to $25, Fnord thinks.... calls $15.

Flop: ($51.50) J

, 7

, 5

(2 players)
UTG checks, Fnord considers checking behind but just bets $30, UTG raises to $116.65, Fnord folds.

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CrunchyNuts

08-27-2006, 01:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravageur

Hmm...one other thing. I think you definitely need to push that non-diamond turn (you're supposed to pay off sets at these limits if that's what you're worried about

). You're killing too many of his likely holdings (including the one he actually had on the turn) to play it passively.

If I had anything left behind I would have gladly put it in =)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbySalami

What parts do the deep stacks play in this situation?

It makes his play up until the turn very profitable for him. Had he hit something hidden, I'da been very likely to pay it. Looking at that flop and his hand, there's not much he could hit that would be hidden - spiking a Q looks like the str8 came home, any diamond...duh, and pulling another ten is believable (this'd be best for him).

Overall I think this was a hand I had a slight advantage on and happened to come out ahead this time. Just very happy I had the cajones to collect all the value on the turn.

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08-28-2006, 01:54 AM

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villain was me, nice call

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08-28-2006, 01:59 AM

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no worse turn card could have come, lol

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