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Cocco_Bill

12-24-2004, 01:25 AM Post subject: AA has been a huge loser..

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In the last 3 days I have lost 5 out of 6 all ins with AA and lost me like 250$. How about this one..

My advice is, fold AA pre flop, it will save you a lot of money..

***** Hand History for Game 1340082550 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Thu Dec 23 21:11:54 EST 2004
Table Antiques (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: geno45750 ( $38.9)
Seat 2: MickeOSD ( $53.75)
Seat 3: skinnyMan ( $47)
Seat 4: Lockaru ( $45.55)
Seat 5: NoRegret142 ( $29.4)
Seat 6: fuman999 ( $64.45)
Seat 7: Pickapepper ( $43)
Seat 8: brm80s ( $65)
Seat 9: ArneBjarne ( $92.45)
Seat 10: Boonaru ( $50.45)
fuman999 posts small blind (0.5)
Pickapepper posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Boonaru [ Ac, Ah ]
ArneBjarne calls (1)
Boonaru raises (3) to 3
geno45750 folds.
skinnyMan folds.
Lockaru folds.
NoRegret142 folds.
fuman999 folds.
Pickapepper folds.
ArneBjarne calls (2)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3s, 8c, 4d ]
ArneBjarne checks.
Boonaru bets (5)
ArneBjarne raises (25) to 25
Boonaru calls (20)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
ArneBjarne bets (25)
Boonaru calls (22.45)
Boonaru is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]
Creating Main Pot with $99.4 with Boonaru
** Summary **
Main Pot: $99.4 | Side Pot 1: $2.55 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 3s 8c 4d 6d 5s ]
geno45750 balance $38.9, didn't bet (folded)
MickeOSD balance $53.75, sits out
skinnyMan balance $47, didn't bet (folded)
Lockaru balance $45.55, didn't bet (folded)
NoRegret142 balance $29.4, didn't bet (folded)
fuman999 balance $63.95, lost $0.5 (folded)
Pickapepper balance $42, lost $1 (folded)
brm80s balance $65, sits out
ArneBjarne balance $141.4, bet $53, collected $101.95, net +$48.95 [ 2d 2s ] [ a straight, two to six -- 6d,5s,4d,3s,2d ]
Boonaru balance $0, lost $50.45 [ Ac Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,8c,6d,5s ]

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12-24-2004, 01:42 AM

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Another hand with AA yesterday I got one caller to my pre flop raise holding T2s(?!), with a flush draw on the flop for him. I bet and he he goes all in, I call and he hits the flush on the river..

I mean its hard to fold AA, but its obviously the right thing to do with the amount of trap hands Empire poker is giving me.

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12-24-2004, 01:46 AM

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all the powerhouse hands like AA,KK,AKs,AQs,QQ will win and lose you the most money...but in the LONG RUN you win more...but i'm sure you didn't need me to tell you that.

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12-24-2004, 02:03 AM

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dont be surprised if you lose with A-A. rockets arent a guaranteed win. so dont expect to automatically win with them whenever you get them
If I lost with rockets 5 times straight by going AI preflop, then got dealt AA again, I would happily go AI again.

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12-24-2004, 02:07 AM

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I know, but its very frustrating..

I have never had a bad run like this with pocket aces. I almost expect them to lose lately..

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12-24-2004, 02:19 AM

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Ahh, my luck might be changing

***** Hand History for Game 1340340317 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Thu Dec 23 22:09:55 EST 2004
Table Burn & Turn (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Betrunken ( $68.35)
Seat 2: MrDrew222 ( $48)
Seat 4: xclr8tr ( $123)
Seat 5: PerdidoParty ( $202.45)
Seat 6: Boonaru ( $131.6)
Seat 7: pslawman69 ( $94.15)
Seat 8: cluong73 ( $48)
Seat 9: Plush_Horse ( $34.35)
Seat 10: WJLSF ( $37.8)
pslawman69 posts small blind (0.5)
cluong73 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Boonaru [ As, Ac ]
Plush_Horse folds.
WJLSF calls (1)
Betrunken raises (3) to 3
MrDrew222 calls (3)
xclr8tr folds.
PerdidoParty folds.
Boonaru raises (8) to 8
pslawman69 folds.
cluong73 folds.
WJLSF folds.
Betrunken calls (5)
MrDrew222 calls (5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 9d, 9s ]
Betrunken bets (5)
MrDrew222 calls (5)
Boonaru raises (20) to 20
Betrunken raises (55.35) to 60.35
Betrunken is all-In.
MrDrew222 folds.
pslawman69: HELLO QUADS
Boonaru calls (40.35)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Js ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
Creating Main Pot with $149.2 with Betrunken
** Summary **
Main Pot: $149.2 | | Rake: $3
Board: [ 9h 9d 9s Js 5h ]
Betrunken balance $0, lost $68.35 [ 8c 8s ] [ a full house, Nines full of eights -- 9h,9d,9s,8c,8s ]
MrDrew222 balance $35, lost $13 (folded)
xclr8tr balance $123, didn't bet (folded)
PerdidoParty balance $202.45, didn't bet (folded)
Boonaru balance $212.45, bet $68.35, collected $149.2, net +$80.85 [ As Ac ] [ a full house, Nines full of aces -- As,Ac,9h,9d,9s ]
pslawman69 balance $93.65, lost $0.5 (folded)
cluong73 balance $47, lost $1 (folded)
Plush_Horse balance $34.35, didn't bet (folded)
WJLSF balance $36.8, lost $1 (folded)

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12-24-2004, 02:27 AM

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man I really dont like Betrunken AI raise with pocket eights. I mean, with your big raise preflop and raise on the flop he's got to put you on a high pocket pair like queens, kings or bullets.

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12-24-2004, 02:28 AM

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Did you like Arnebjarnes all in with 22 in the first hand?

Anyhow Betrunken told me he was on tilt after the hand was played from another table..

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12-24-2004, 02:32 AM

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Did you like Arnebjarnes all in with 22 in the first hand?

Anyhow Betrunken told me he was on tilt after the hand was played from another table..

man, didnt notice that one!
I dont even like his raise on the flop let alone his AI on the turn. He had nothing! Pocket twos?! He must have been trying to bluff.

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12-24-2004, 02:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Did you like Arnebjarnes all in with 22 in the first hand?

Anyhow Betrunken told me he was on tilt after the hand was played from another table..

man, didnt notice that one!
I dont even like his raise on the flop let alone his AI on the turn. He had nothing! Pocket twos?! He must have been trying to bluff.

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Yeah and got rewarded by a runner runner straight..

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12-24-2004, 02:55 AM

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Just keep telling yourself "big picture, long run, big picture, long run, variance, etc." and then kick your cat to make yourself feel better.

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12-24-2004, 02:57 AM

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Also,

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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

CARDSON
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 9d, 9s ]
Betrunken bets (5)
MrDrew222 calls (5)
Boonaru raises (20) to 20
Betrunken raises (55.35) to 60.35
Betrunken is all-In.

Don't count out quads here...I got burned by a similar situation this week.

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12-24-2004, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TylerK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

CARDSON
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 9d, 9s ]
Betrunken bets (5)
MrDrew222 calls (5)
Boonaru raises (20) to 20
Betrunken raises (55.35) to 60.35
Betrunken is all-In.

Don't count out quads here...I got burned by a similar situation this week.

I raised to 7BB pre flop. How many hands with a 9 would be calling that? A9? very unlikely.

I would never ever fold thinking that an opponent has quads in this situation.

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12-24-2004, 03:15 AM

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I raised to 7BB pre flop. How many hands with a 9 would be calling that? A9? very unlikely.

I would never ever fold thinking that an opponent has quads in this situation.

me personally would have played 8-9s preflop for 7BB, but thats just me. Might have played A-9s, depends.

But yea I dont think you had to worry about quads in this situation, but if you handt raised preflop and quite a few limpers saw the flop then you would be screwed.

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12-24-2004, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

CARDSON
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 9d, 9s ]
Betrunken bets (5)
MrDrew222 calls (5)
Boonaru raises (20) to 20
Betrunken raises (55.35) to 60.35
Betrunken is all-In.

Don't count out quads here...I got burned by a similar situation this week.

I raised to 7BB pre flop. How many hands with a 9 would be calling that? A9? very unlikely.

I would never ever fold thinking that an opponent has quads in this situation.

Like I said, happened to me just a couple of days ago, but ok, sorry I mentioned it.

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12-24-2004, 03:33 AM

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Like I said, happened to me just a couple of days ago, but ok, sorry I mentioned it.

Hey! nothing personal, I was just giving my opinion for this situation.

There are many scenarios where I would be worried about the quads, just not this hand.

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12-24-2004, 03:43 AM

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AA is just about Guaranteed for me....13 straight times at 2/4 I won with it. I lost for the first time through 4000 hands.

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12-24-2004, 04:14 AM

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In limit I'm more like 75% with Aces... I think... I'll check.

For NL, you need to try to get your money in pre-flop where you have an edge. Otherwise, you'll often hold a "pay-off" hand. Hence, I like to limp re-raise AA from UTGish when playing small blind NLHE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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12-24-2004, 04:41 AM

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I'll try it! From now on i'm limping with AA from early position.

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12-24-2004, 04:47 AM

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haha, already got to try limping with AA from early position. Here's the result

***** Hand History for Game 1341021015 *****
Bohlicious has left the table.
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Dec 24 00:38:11 EST 2004
Table Table 11262 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: sdman ( $9.8)
Seat 3: Gldfinger ( $50.68)
Seat 4: Boonaru ( $56)
Seat 5: DNAVALIANT ( $19)
Seat 6: Calif21 ( $53.15)
Seat 7: jamrum ( $52.1)
Seat 8: Dubra1 ( $48.2)
Seat 9: Maw7391 ( $112.3)
Seat 10: motoxmouth ( $37.37)
sdman posts small blind (0.5)
Gldfinger posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Boonaru [ Ac, Ah ]
Boonaru calls (1)
DNAVALIANT folds.
Calif21 folds.
jamrum calls (1)
Dubra1 folds.
Maw7391 calls (1)
motoxmouth folds.
sdman calls (0.5)
Gldfinger checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, 5h, 9c ]
sdman checks.
Gldfinger checks.
Boonaru bets (3)
jamrum calls (3)
Maw7391 raises (9) to 9
sdman folds.
Gldfinger folds.
Boonaru calls (6)
jamrum folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ As ]
Boonaru bets (20)
Maw7391 raises (60) to 60
Boonaru calls (26)
Boonaru is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 7d ]
Creating Main Pot with $115 with Boonaru
** Summary **
Main Pot: $115 | Side Pot 1: $14 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Th 5h 9c As 7d ]
sdman balance $8.8, lost $1 (folded)
Wesz23 balance $50, sits out
Gldfinger balance $49.68, lost $1 (folded)
Boonaru balance $115, bet $56, collected $115, net +$59 [ Ac Ah ] [ three of a kind, aces -- Ac,Ah,As,Th,9c ]
DNAVALIANT balance $19, didn't bet (folded)
Calif21 balance $53.15, didn't bet (folded)
jamrum balance $48.1, lost $4 (folded)
Dubra1 balance $48.2, didn't bet (folded)
Maw7391 balance $56.3, bet $70, collected $14, lost -$56 [ Ad Td ] [ two pairs, aces and tens -- Ad,As,Td,Th,9c ]
motoxmouth balance $37.37, didn't bet (folded)

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12-24-2004, 04:52 AM

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I'll try it! From now on i'm limping with AA from early position.

Limping in from early is a pretty good play, but remember that you are hoping to get in a raise.
I remember one time I was UTG with bullets, and I called the bigblind. I was pretty sure that one of them would raise it so I could then get a big reraise in. Unfortunately EVERYONE called, none raised!
I was thinking crap Im screwed now. But thankfully flop was rainbow with an ace. I made a fortune that hand.

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12-24-2004, 04:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steelwheel

Quote:

I'll try it! From now on i'm limping with AA from early position.

Limping in from early is a pretty good play, but remember that you are hoping to get in a raise.

steel wheels

Yeah, no doubt! In that last hand nobody raised, but things worked out nicely anyhow

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12-24-2004, 05:36 AM

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Tried the same early limp strategy for KK. Worked great!

***** Hand History for Game 1341248868 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Dec 24 01:31:02 EST 2004
Table Rubber Boots (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Caitlny ( $40)
Seat 2: swede46 ( $155.45)
Seat 3: TripperM ( $45)
Seat 4: Happy_John ( $68.55)
Seat 5: netphax ( $84.05)
Seat 6: Sigman357 ( $40.6)
Seat 7: SHARKYWATERS ( $42.45)
Seat 8: Gldfinger ( $49.5)
Seat 9: Fiji1848 ( $48.85)
Seat 10: Boonaru ( $46.5)
Gldfinger posts small blind (0.5)
Fiji1848 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Boonaru [ Kh, Ks ]
Boonaru calls (1)
Caitlny raises (2) to 2
swede46 folds.
TripperM folds.
Happy_John calls (2)
netphax calls (2)
Sigman357 folds.
SHARKYWATERS folds.
Gldfinger calls (1.5)
Fiji1848 calls (1)
Boonaru raises (7) to 8
Caitlny calls (6)
Happy_John folds.
netphax folds.
Gldfinger folds.
Fiji1848 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, 7h, 9d ]
Boonaru bets (15)
Caitlny calls (15)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
Boonaru bets (17)
Caitlny folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $68.3 | Rake: $2.7
Board: [ 8h 7h 9d 8d ]
Caitlny balance $17, lost $23 (folded)
swede46 balance $155.45, didn't bet (folded)
TripperM balance $45, didn't bet (folded)
Happy_John balance $66.55, lost $2 (folded)
netphax balance $82.05, lost $2 (folded)
Sigman357 balance $40.6, didn't bet (folded)
SHARKYWATERS balance $42.45, didn't bet (folded)
Gldfinger balance $47.5, lost $2 (folded)
Fiji1848 balance $46.85, lost $2 (folded)
Boonaru balance $74.8, bet $40, collected $68.3, net +$28.3

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12-24-2004, 02:24 PM

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Very cool that the early limping strategy is working well. In general, I like to limp or minimal raise from early position, since I want to get into a situation where someone is willing to pay for cards to try and outdraw me. Then if they hit their smaller pair, they're willing to bite on a bigger bet at the river. There is always the chance that they will outdraw you, but pocket A's or K's should only get outdrawn 10-15% of the time over the long-haul, so it is the best strategy. You just have to take the bad beats in stride and keep your eye on the big picture.

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12-24-2004, 03:42 PM

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I never limp with aces, Im always raising 3-5XBB with them, that way I feel comfortable and if they do get cracked they i know I played them correctly and that some fool just made a mistake by calling my raise with trash..well but thats just me :P

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12-24-2004, 04:27 PM

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The raising is only done to limit the field. When limping from early position you will be able to do this in most hands anyhow with a smaller risk of only winning the blinds. If nobody raises and there are many limpers, then you will just have to play more carefully.

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12-24-2004, 05:09 PM

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If someone makes a big UTG raise, do you usually give them credit for a hand and fold? I do. Rockets aren't doing much for you if you fold the field preflop. Hence the "limp from early position and hope for an opportunity to reraise preflop" strategy.

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12-26-2004, 04:59 AM

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AA is still a huge loser for me. Lost last 3 all ins with AA against unlikely hands. Its like a bad dream with no end..

Its amazing that a game I have been playing almost 2 months all of a sudden seems like a completely different game with different probabilities.

I have been keeping count of how many times the river has helped me compared to lost me the hand. So far I am 0-8.

Here's my latest
***** Hand History for Game 1348548111 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Sun Dec 26 00:46:58 EST 2004
Table Hearts of Fire (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ren949 ( $531.81)
Seat 2: Boonaru ( $49)
Seat 3: Novo36 ( $50)
Seat 4: monroedog ( $21)
Seat 5: DA_Empire ( $27)
Seat 6: Infinitron ( $61.95)
Seat 7: easymon10 ( $49.65)
Seat 8: lon243 ( $36.95)
Seat 9: bdgsz626 ( $57.3)
Seat 10: pjbarber ( $123.25)
Boonaru posts small blind (0.5)
Novo36 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Boonaru [ As, Ah ]
monroedog folds.
DA_Empire folds.
Infinitron folds.
easymon10 calls (1)
lon243 calls (1)
bdgsz626 folds.
pjbarber folds.
ren949 calls (1)
Boonaru raises (3.5) to 4
Novo36 folds.
easymon10 calls (3)
lon243 calls (3)
ren949 calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, 2c, 7h ]
Boonaru bets (10)
easymon10 calls (10)
lon243 folds.
ren949 did not respond in time.
ren949 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ad ]
Boonaru bets (20)
easymon10 raises (35.65) to 35.65
easymon10 is all-In.
Boonaru calls (15)
Boonaru is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ Ts ]
Creating Main Pot with $104 with Boonaru
Creating Side Pot 1 with $0.65 with easymon10
** Summary **
Main Pot: $104 | Side Pot 1: $0.65 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 5d 2c 7h Ad Ts ]
ren949 balance $527.81, lost $4 (folded)
Boonaru balance $0, lost $49 [ As Ah ] [ three of a kind, aces -- As,Ah,Ad,Ts,7h ]
Novo36 balance $49, lost $1 (folded)
monroedog balance $21, didn't bet (folded)
DA_Empire balance $27, didn't bet (folded)
Infinitron balance $61.95, didn't bet (folded)
easymon10 balance $104.65, bet $49.65, collected $104.65, net +$55 [ 3h 4d ] [ a straight, ace to five -- Ad,5d,4d,3h,2c ]
lon243 balance $32.95, lost $4 (folded)
bdgsz626 balance $57.3, didn't bet (folded)
pjbarber balance $123.25, didn't bet (folded)

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12-26-2004, 05:15 AM

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Have played 2 weeks on .5-1.0 level. First week I won 1300$ and second week I lose 800$. Surely that isn't a normal swing.

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12-26-2004, 05:20 AM

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I'd say, increase your PF bets with AA to atleast 4x.

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12-26-2004, 05:21 AM

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Have played 2 weeks on .5-1.0 level. First week I won 1300$ and second week I lose 800$. Surely that isn't a normal swing.

lets make that -900$

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12-26-2004, 05:22 AM

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I'd say, increase your PF bets with AA to atleast 4x.

perhaps, but I'll end up winning nothing but the blinds most of the time

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12-26-2004, 05:26 AM

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I'd say, increase your PF bets with AA to atleast 4x.

perhaps, but I'll end up winning nothing but the blinds most of the time

It depends on where you play and what limit, but that statement is hardly true. Either defend aggresively and know you'll sometimes get no callers, or bet weak and complain about getting outdrawn

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12-26-2004, 05:26 AM

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I'd say, increase your PF bets with AA to atleast 4x.

I never had problems during my first 6 weeks of play when I made a profit of over 3000$. Its just the last week when every turn and river card seem to be 'planned' to trap me losing my stack. I seriously can't figure out what I am doing wrong compared to earlier.

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12-26-2004, 05:27 AM

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Have played 2 weeks on .5-1.0 level. First week I won 1300$ and second week I lose 800$. Surely that isn't a normal swing.

lets make that -900$

how many hands is this?

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12-26-2004, 05:33 AM

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Have played 2 weeks on .5-1.0 level. First week I won 1300$ and second week I lose 800$. Surely that isn't a normal swing.

lets make that -900$

how many hands is this?

Don't know, but I played about 6 hours a day

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12-26-2004, 05:36 AM

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Maybe I should just assume that people are going to draw a straight against me when I have AA. There seems to be some kind of mechanism for this in the Empire poker software.

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12-26-2004, 06:08 AM

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With the raises I make I ususally only get 1-2 callers often with far inferior hands. This should be a good thing sinse in théory I am a big favourite to win the hand. In practice though, I am always a big underdog to any hand that calls my pre flop raise. Why I don't know, thats just the way it is..

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12-26-2004, 06:45 AM

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I think I will have to change poker site. I need to do something to change this never ending run of bad luck. I am still counting how many times the river card has helped me win a hand vs lost me a hand. Now 0-12..

EDIT: Now 1-12. AMAZING!

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12-26-2004, 07:22 AM

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that should be a good thing to have such a lower number. if it was high that means you're chasing too much.

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12-26-2004, 07:24 AM

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Wow I won with AA and he actually missed this dangerous draw

***** Hand History for Game 1349060898 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Sun Dec 26 03:18:44 EST 2004
Table Bet the Pot (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Ganyard16 ( $98.85)
Seat 2: guitarborn ( $56.9)
Seat 3: ferbianco ( $72.85)
Seat 5: jbowl11 ( $102.4)
Seat 6: mugatu628 ( $27)
Seat 7: rivakilla2 ( $46.8)
Seat 8: Boonaru ( $47.25)
Seat 9: fOxshOxdO ( $25)
Seat 10: TeinGuy ( $50)
Ganyard16 posts small blind (0.5)
guitarborn posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Boonaru [ Ad, Ah ]
ferbianco raises (2) to 2
jbowl11 folds.
mugatu628 calls (2)
rivakilla2 calls (2)
Boonaru raises (6) to 6
Ganyard16 folds.
guitarborn folds.
ferbianco calls (4)
mugatu628 calls (4)
rivakilla2 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, 9c, 9h ]
ferbianco bets (66.85)
ferbianco is all-In.
mugatu628 folds.
Boonaru calls (41.25)
Boonaru is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Th ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]
Creating Main Pot with $101 with Boonaru
Creating Side Pot 1 with $25.6 with ferbianco
** Summary **
Main Pot: $101 | Side Pot 1: $25.6 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Tc 9c 9h Th 6h ]
Ganyard16 balance $98.35, lost $0.5 (folded)
guitarborn balance $55.9, lost $1 (folded)
ferbianco balance $25.6, bet $72.85, collected $25.6, lost -$47.25 [ Kc Jc ] [ two pairs, tens and nines -- Kc,Tc,Th,9c,9h ]
monki3 balance $50, sits out
jbowl11 balance $102.4, didn't bet (folded)
mugatu628 balance $21, lost $6 (folded)
rivakilla2 balance $44.8, lost $2 (folded)
Boonaru balance $101, bet $47.25, collected $101, net +$53.75 [ Ad Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and tens -- Ad,Ah,Tc,Th,9c ]
fOxshOxdO balance $25, sits out
TeinGuy balance $50, sits out

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12-27-2004, 03:22 PM

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Bill,

1 thing to remember; in ring games alot of people esp fish think any pocket pair with call a raise preflop. Esp. only if its 2 - 4 bucks to them. Make it worth their while and raise it 10 or so unless of course you are asking for a call.

Corey

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12-28-2004, 03:49 AM

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today me KK vs AA I lose

then me KK vs KA I lose

then me AA vs TT I lose

Over the last week KK and AA win about 30% heads up.

Poker is not the same as it was during my first 6 weeks of play. I am seriously beginning to think that Empire poker is rigged agaiunst players who win too much initially.

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12-28-2004, 03:55 AM

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ah just lost again AA heads up...

The statistical probability to lose with AA KK as often as I do is so miniscule that the only plausable explanation left is that the poker network keeps track of players that win too much initially and punishes them. Well now I know better and will be changing back to where I used to play where odds behaved in a perfectly normal way over a WHOLE MONTH!

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12-28-2004, 04:07 AM

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A call should be a good thing if its only one or two callers as AA is statistically a big favourite against any hand, but clearly this has not been the case for me lately, not even close.

BTW: Just drew QQ vs AA on a board with no overcards. I always lose against AA and rarely win with it. So tonight I have had an overpair 5 times and went 0-5.

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Update: Won one hand with AA. lost one hand to a straight on the river with AA. Lost to a flopped straight with KK. Lost to another straight on the river with KK..

Here's the last one

***** Hand History for Game 1357990716 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Tue Dec 28 05:52:31 EST 2004
Table Dealing Do's (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: chickenrules ( $20.95)
Seat 2: longvu ( $49)
Seat 3: Boonaru ( $64.25)
Seat 4: ryogesh ( $55.15)
Seat 5: NigelTuffnel ( $51.35)
Seat 6: B00mdogger ( $56.1)
Seat 7: PuCknFoKeR ( $36.3)
Seat 8: WJLSF ( $52.05)
Seat 9: Dr_Douglass ( $50)
Seat 10: FelipeAlou ( $74.35)
WJLSF posts small blind (0.5)
Dr_Douglass posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Boonaru [ Kc, Kd ]
FelipeAlou folds.
chickenrules calls (1)
longvu folds.
Boonaru raises (4) to 4
ryogesh calls (4)
NigelTuffnel folds.
B00mdogger folds.
PuCknFoKeR folds.
WJLSF folds.
Dr_Douglass calls (3)
chickenrules calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, 4s, Ks ]
Dr_Douglass bets (1)
chickenrules calls (1)
Boonaru raises (10) to 10
ryogesh folds.
Dr_Douglass calls (9)
chickenrules calls (9)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]
Dr_Douglass checks.
chickenrules checks.
Boonaru bets (50.25)
Boonaru is all-In.
Dr_Douglass folds.
chickenrules calls (6.95)
chickenrules is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
Creating Main Pot with $57.4 with chickenrules
Creating Side Pot 1 with $43.3 with Boonaru
** Summary **
Main Pot: $57.4 | Side Pot 1: $43.3 | Rake: $3
Board: [ As 4s Ks 2d 5h ]
chickenrules balance $57.4, bet $20.95, collected $57.4, net +$36.45 [ 3c Ac ] [ a straight, ace to five -- Ac,5h,4s,3c,2d ]
longvu balance $49, didn't bet (folded)
Boonaru balance $43.3, bet $64.25, collected $43.3, lost -$20.95 [ Kc Kd ] [ three of a kind, kings -- As,Kc,Kd,Ks,5h ]
ryogesh balance $51.15, lost $4 (folded)
NigelTuffnel balance $51.35, didn't bet (folded)
B00mdogger balance $56.1, didn't bet (folded)
PuCknFoKeR balance $36.3, didn't bet (folded)
WJLSF balance $51.55, lost $0.5 (folded)
Dr_Douglass balance $36, lost $14 (folded)
FelipeAlou balance $74.35, didn't bet (folded)

That makes it 1-8 with KK AA for the night.

This is not normal variance. I am pretty sure overpairs are used to even out winnings for succesful players..

I mean its more likely someone hits a straight against my overpair than I actually win with it.

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12-28-2004, 02:59 PM

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12-28-2004, 05:04 PM

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I like contrast with last week's quotes. You were winning because you're good at math, but now you're loosing because of bad luck.

Change you're thinking around to, I play correctly because i'm good at math. In the long run, i'll take all of their money.

Variance exists, people will catch straghts against you're rockets. It's just how the game works. Remember, crap like that is what keeps them calling your pre flop all ins.

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12-28-2004, 06:31 PM

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hang in there man, soon everything will be going your way i promise, you just need to be prepared for these kinds of swings, since theyll come around quite often, you seem like an excellent player so soon enough youll be making a lot of money

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