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Old 01-11-2006, 03:53 PM     Post subject: AA hand for discussion #1 (permalink)  
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I was going to post this in a different section for a different reason, but then my mind started going.

$1 preflop is pretty standard at the table.

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Button ($27.45)
SB ($31.27)
BB ($25)
UTG ($11.10)
UTG+1 ($58.70)
UTG+2 ($26.90)
MP1 ($9.26)
Hero ($24.65)
MP3 ($20.50)
CO ($8.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T, T. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4) 3, T, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets $3.8, Hero calls $3.80, SB calls $3.80, BB folds.

Turn: ($15.40) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 bets $14.65, Hero pushes, SB folds, UTG+2 calls $5.20.

River: ($35.25) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: $35.25


Food for thought and discussion:

1) He bet just under the pot on the flop leaving him with $22 behind. Now that he gets 2 callers, does that or does it not leave pushing as the only option on the turn?

2) With the 5 setting up a straight and heart draw on the turn, do you have to push? Can you 1/2 pot here against 2 opps for useful info? Betting pot leaves you with about $6-7 behind, so that means you have to push, 1/2 or check correct? Is 3/4 pot here even an option?

3) Did he have any way of getting away from this hand after the pot got built to $15 on the flop?
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Old 01-11-2006, 05:32 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Why would he want to get away? I mean I know what you're saying, but no matter how the villain acts when I hold AA on this board, and at these stakes, I'm usually putting it all in. You just get payed off by worse hands too often. It's just not horrible enough to committ semi blindly at these stakes.

If he bets $3.80 on the flop, and you just push immediately, I could possibly see a fold against a player you respect (very rare at this level). Once he punches the turn, there's no going back. He's committed, and it isn't the worst thing ever for him.

To me, this is a great example of what I would call a healthy blind committment if I held AA here. By that I mean committing yourself to a powerful hand that is not the nuts in a situation (against loose players at 25 NL) where thinking too much can cost you money. I do this against maniacs at higher levels. If I catch top pair K while holding KQ, I'm not going to make attempts to put the guy on AK. They're way too eratic, aggressive, and unpredictable. I'm going to put myself on the best hand, and ride it out. The numerous times they put money in while behind allows me the luxury of losing money to AK or a weird hand in this spot. In other words, committing myself semi blindly with a hand that has a great chance to be ahead of his wide range.

Equate this thought process over to 25 NL. You have a boatload of opponents with a wide range, inferior post flop skills, and a habit of giving you tremendous value when you have the better hand. So I repeat. When you have AA on this board, and at these stakes, why would you want to get away?
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Old 01-11-2006, 07:03 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I feel like he could see he is beat on the flop. two cold callers on that board? in my mind lightbulbs are going off. I'd bet the turn about half the pot knowing a person with a hand would probably raise at this point and fold. if no one raises I'm all in on the river.
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