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Old 08-20-2005, 11:13 PM     Post subject: AA with coordinated flop. #1 (permalink)  
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No reads on villian. Do you make this call?

PokerStars Game #2384043063: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/08/20 - 19:04:46 (ET)
Table 'Franzia' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: OPman21 ($54.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Tman187 ($92.35 in chips)
Seat 3: mateo$55 ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 4: trappin2 ($50.70 in chips)
Seat 5: BillyBets ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: avenger03 ($37.60 in chips)
Seat 7: lucifil ($37.55 in chips)
Seat 8: bdawg56kg ($42.50 in chips)
Seat 9: HurricaneRob ($42.60 in chips)
trappin2: posts small blind $0.25
BillyBets: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bdawg56kg [Ah As]
avenger03: raises $1 to $1.50
lucifil: folds
bdawg56kg: raises $4.50 to $6
HurricaneRob: folds
OPman21: folds
Tman187: folds
mateo$55: folds
trappin2: folds
BillyBets: folds
avenger03: calls $4.50
*** FLOP *** [Jd Qs 9d]
BillyBets leaves the table
avenger03: checks
doc3232 joins the table at seat #5
bdawg56kg: bets $7.50
avenger03: raises $24.10 to $31.60 and is all-in
bdawg56kg: ???

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Old 08-21-2005, 12:24 AM #2 (permalink)  

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I think with no reads, you have to fold this.

looks like 99 to me
pocket Jacks eh?

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Old 08-21-2005, 03:48 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Here I worry about JJ and QQ, but AQ and even AJ is possible from a weak plr or if your image has been super LAG. Not sure what I would do without some kind of read. Somehow I feel that at 50NL it might be +EV to call this.
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Old 08-21-2005, 04:37 AM #4 (permalink)  
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If he had a set I'd think he'd slow play it. He has AQ, easy call.
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:31 AM #5 (permalink)  
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yeah i call.

i think villain has a pair and a draw (Q+diamonds, or pair+T).
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Old 08-21-2005, 02:09 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Op coulda pushed me off the pot with any other raise than an AI.

Hate these flops though.

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Old 08-22-2005, 06:04 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Well I ended up folding because it seemed too much like QQ or JJ. I mean with my big rerase preflop and strong flop bet I made it VERY obvious that I had AA or KK (if villian has a brain), and by him check-raising all in, he clearly was sending the message that he could beat my overpair. He later told me that he had Kd Qd, so I think I was actually behind since he had so many outs to improve.
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Old 08-22-2005, 04:00 PM #8 (permalink)  
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If he did have KdQd, you're behind, but it's correct for you to call. You're only a 42% favourite to win the hand, but you're putting in ~33% of the final pot, so it's +EV for you to call.

Having said that, I'd lean towards folding on this hand without reads, putting him on QQ or JJ too. A raise from UTG, then a call of a 3x re-raise? Don't think it would be KK, as KK would have pushed PF most of the time. THe only other hands that make sense are QQ or JJ. Then again, I don't know why you'd call a huge re-raise OOP with QQ or JJ... bad stack odds for the set, unless you can put the other player on AKs it seems like a bad move.
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