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Old 03-07-2006, 12:08 AM     Post subject: AA. Call? #1 (permalink)  
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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, March 06, 20:00:28 ET 2006
Table Mo Money (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: Necro2883 ( $128.98 )
Seat 10: Renton555 ( $25 )
Seat 9: nasty2003bb ( $39.01 )
Seat 4: SErebel_11 ( $63.86 )
Seat 2: JonnieFargo ( $22.30 )
Seat 8: ChisoxFan08 ( $28.10 )
Seat 7: chynaphuong ( $35.31 )
Seat 1: ZEHER ( $24.65 )
Seat 3: PaulaRatclif ( $26.25 )
PaulaRatclif posts small blind [$0.10].
SErebel_11 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Ad Ac ]
Necro2883 folds.
chynaphuong calls [$0.25].
ChisoxFan08 folds.
nasty2003bb calls [$0.25].
toto1982 has joined the table.
Renton555 raises [$1.50].
ZEHER folds.
JonnieFargo folds.
>You have options at Sooner Table!.
PaulaRatclif folds.
>You have options at Bolero (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Sea Swag Table!.
SErebel_11 calls [$1.25].
chynaphuong folds.
nasty2003bb folds.
>You have options at Sooner Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 2h, Qh ]
SErebel_11 checks.
Renton555 bets [$4].
SErebel_11 is all-In.
Renton555 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
Renton555 shows [ Ad, Ac ] a flush, queen high.
SErebel_11 shows [ Kh, Kc ] a flush, king high.
SErebel_11 wins $38.86 from side pot #1 with a flush, king high with king kicker.
SErebel_11 wins $48.10 from the main pot with a flush, king high with king kicker.
ChisoxFan08 has left the table.
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I'd insta-call that too and not be happy about it.
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:57 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I easily fold that. There are WAAAYY to many people that play anything suited for you to be in the lead. If you had the A of hearts I say its a risk but call. You will get AA alot of times dont play everyone like it is your last. It is more than just getting AA that makes it a winner. You want to play it big in the just right situations.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:18 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I made the right call.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:32 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Against an unknown I'd probaby feel I have to call due to the retard factor in the games I play. Against a known player I could maybe find a fold here.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:47 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I made the right call.
Would you have called if the flop would have been KK7? 89T? You would call with anything on the boardl, when you have AA?

Plays like you made is why people win more than they should with junk flushes. Therefore playing them more. Making 3 suited boards even more dangerous. Villian in that hand could have easily had lot of 2 Heart hands, suited connecters, Axs, Kxs,Qxs, or like alot of people at lower limits, any 2 suited cards. If you have read Super System 2. Doyle Bronson says he will play "carefully" with AA,KK on a 3 flush board. Will fold to a large raise, unless he has an A of that suite. Then he will go all in.
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:58 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I made the right call.
Would you have called if the flop would have been KK7? 89T? You would call with anything on the boardl, when you have AA?

Plays like you made is why people win more than they should with junk flushes. Therefore playing them more. Making 3 suited boards even more dangerous. Villian in that hand could have easily had lot of 2 Heart hands, suited connecters, Axs, Kxs,Qxs, or like alot of people at lower limits, any 2 suited cards. If you have read Super System 2. Doyle Bronson says he will play "carefully" with AA,KK on a 3 flush board. Will fold to a large raise, unless he has an A of that suite. Then he will go all in.
No there are definitely situations where I lay AA down on the flop. But his all in is a flush DRAW enough % of the time for my call to be profitable. A made flush doesn't typically play that scared.
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Old 03-07-2006, 02:01 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:25 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I'd insta-call that too and not be happy about it.
Do you call because of the donk factor? What about at 100NL, still call? 200NL? 400NL?

I can't blame you for calling, but keep this in mind. If you are ahead, you are likely only a slight favorite, more like closer to even money if villian has a hand like KhQs. But if you are behind, you are drawing very very slim. Thinking players will shove this flop with sets and flushes.

Maybe the following advice would be more suited for higher limits, but I will often check behind on this flop with AA no redraw. If you get CR'ed, it's hard to tell what you're up against, as tricky aggressive players will CR you here with a wide range. But if you peel a safe turn, then your hand becomes a lot stronger, and you can see how he acts first, and then re-evaluate. If the turn is a heart, then you can get away cheap, or look him up if you think he's bluffing.
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Old 03-07-2006, 09:40 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I don't call this without the Ah. Like bdawg56kg I check behind and bet out on a safe turn.
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Old 03-07-2006, 11:59 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I had the exact same situation in the last session I played, with the exception of being sure he had KK (raised it strong PF but only called my reraise). And I too lost the the hand.

So I wouldn't blame you for playing the hand as you did, but checking the flop does sound good too. AA is a damn tricky hand to play sometimes.
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:18 PM #12 (permalink)  
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To me, playing like a donk can quite easily involve pushing a made flop when slowplaying against one opp may be preferable. It screams of a made flush to me as a flush draw would be more likely to push first off. It's a very unsubtle check raise from sone who clearly doesn't have a sophistiacted game. I'd say this is an easy fold (and I play v aggressive post-flop).
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Old 03-07-2006, 03:38 PM #13 (permalink)  
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ya i can't call this without the Ah. I'd say w Ah it's an auto call. too many hands that could have you beat to justify it.

Had villain seen you raise preflop and then continuation bet? seems to me he was waiting for you to make that bet and then push. seems like he thot he wasn't gonna get any more money after you c bet so he pushed thinking you mite be drawing with the Ah.
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