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Warpe
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10-22-2007, 05:35 PM
Post subject: AA c/r'd on flop, turn pairs board
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Villain's unknown, new to table.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($103.75)
UTG ($204.65)
MP1 ($84.50)
MP2 ($233.95)
CO ($284.60)
Hero ($281.55)
SB ($200)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , A . SB posts a blind of $2.
5 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB (poster) calls $4.
Flop: ($12) 6, 5, T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB raises to $25, Hero calls $15.
Turn: ($62) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
River: ($62) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???
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Because of the weird blind situation I probably raise to 7 or 8 here, but that's kind of a minor thing.
Against an unknown I probably just check here.
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martindcx1e
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check is fine
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c/r on the flop then checking again didn't sound to me like he had a monster, so i'd bet $32 on the turn and fold to any big reraise. As played, i guess we beat his hand the whole way and definitely bet half the pot on the river . your line was way too weak though considering that he checked twice already in later streets.
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id bet the river because i think your opp tried to steal it then figured you had a hand.
I make it quite small to encourage a call, even a c/push if we read really good, but i doubt your opponent checks this river without knowing youll call a c/r which i doubt you will.
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Bet the turn and river for value. Checking turn after checkraising flop is often giving up. I think people often do this with an underpair/air thinking you have missed overs.
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martindcx1e
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i could see Tx playing flop/turn like villain did. on the river i just don't know what is calling a bet, and i still think there's a chance of a c/r.
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
i could see Tx playing flop/turn like villain did. on the river i just don't what is calling a bet, and i still think there's a chance of a c/r.
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there is but if we know opp will do this with a medium range then we know we can call flop c/r and steal on river, so we need to bet.
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
i'd bet $32 on the turn and fold to any big reraise.
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
Bet the turn and river for value. Checking turn after checkraising flop is often giving up.
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What worse hands call a turn bet?
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
i'd bet $32 on the turn and fold to any big reraise.
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
Bet the turn and river for value. Checking turn after checkraising flop is often giving up.
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What worse hands call a turn bet? |
none for me, but we need to bet river to be able to float the c/r with ATC so that betting the river folds out all hands that beat us but cant call a river bet (assuming opp doesnt call river obviously)
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
i'd bet $32 on the turn and fold to any big reraise.
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
Bet the turn and river for value. Checking turn after checkraising flop is often giving up.
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What worse hands call a turn bet? |
agreed warpe. maybe 78 but it's quite a stretch.
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Why didn't you just commit on the flop?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why didn't you just commit on the flop?
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b/c villain's running a set line
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why didn't you just commit on the flop?
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b/c villain's running a set line |
ya we don't 1/2 stack like you fnord 
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trivially easy river bet.
i like just calling the flop, but 3betting is definitely plus ev.
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why didn't you just commit on the flop?
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b/c villain's running a set line |
ya we don't 1/2 stack like you fnord |
probably his point 
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trivially easy river bet.
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i checked behind.
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did you pwn his trips?
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did you pwn his quads?
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did you pwn his quads?
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lol nice
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For what it's worth, I got pwned for $600 last weekend. Got it all-in against Aces 5 or 6 times, usually with the worst of it. On top of that I ran over $200 below expectation on all-ins. Throw in some meh aggression and a 150bb deep hand with a donk that out-played me, bleh...
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fnord has downswings?
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Renton
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its still a bet
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Setzy
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Man I hate seeing results before I post.
I'm still betting this river for $35-40, because I always equate 3 checks to mean the villain has pretty much nothing.
I'm pretty sure I could find a fold to a raise on the river, but the villain is unknown! We are giving unknowns a range of a set!? This guy could be messing with your obvious button "steal" and not reraising some high pp. Nice job saving money on this one I guess, did you have some sort of timing tell or other info besides unknown villain?
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its still a bet
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Agree, b/f.
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Nice job saving money on this one I guess, did you have some sort of timing tell or other info besides unknown villain?
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No. I just got spooked by the board pairing 'cause if he was betting TP he had at least trips and if he had a set...
I'm just glad another A didn't fall.
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honestly i'd bet queens here too, and maybe even jacks
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