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taipan168
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04-18-2007, 02:21 AM
Post subject: AA, big pot, opp shoves turn (25NL)
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Last one from me today, I promise! Opp is a true LAggtard, stats 64/11/1.8 over 70 hands. How is my flop line? I have $16 behind on the turn. Call or fold?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG+1 ($37)
MP1 ($45.10)
MP2 ($23.15)
MP3 ($62.30)
CO ($24.05)
Hero ($25)
SB ($4.75)
BB ($48.10)
UTG ($32.85)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , A .
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.40, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1.25.
Flop: ($4.75) T, 9, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 bets $3.75, Hero raises to $7.5, SB calls $3.25 (All-In), MP3 calls $3.75.
Turn: ($23) 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 bets $53.3 (All-In), Hero ????
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Jimmy Mac
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I dont think you can fold the turn against this guy - the 5 is a great card for you. I'm really not sure about the best line on the flop though - your minraise gave him nice odds if he's drawing. I'd probably make a much bigger raise and commit right there. I guess calling the flop and spanking him on the turn is an option.
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Da GOAT
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your flop bet is AWFUL, look at the odds your giving the table to play.
Some opp are less likely to bluff if there is a shorty in the hand and will force a showdown regardless.
as played i doubt opp has a set. so either draw, 5 or T. and we ahead of T9 but id say he'd raise flop again. anyway its tough spot, call or fold is fine but borderline
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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taipan168
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
your flop bet is AWFUL, look at the odds your giving the table to play.
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How would you play the flop? How much should I raise?
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Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by taipan168
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
your flop bet is AWFUL, look at the odds your giving the table to play.
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How would you play the flop? How much should I raise? |
at least 3x opp bet and id add a little more since theres another player
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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minSim
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4.75 (pot) + 3,75 (bet villain) + 3,75 (your call of villains bet) = 12,25
That's called a potsized raise
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I think a raise to ~$12 is good on the flop and i probly call a push there. As played, i cant argue w/ calling or folding. Against a donk like this i try to felt this alot, but this looks an awful lot like a set line.
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You want to protect your hand on the flop and price out the draws. I raise to around $10-$12.
Makes the push much easier to call.
I call here. Put yourself in OPPs place. Do you shove a set or trips on the turn? No. At least anyone who does is not playing $25NL!!
If you have trips or a set you check the turn to give you a chance to bet again. After all you already raised a flop bet, you must like your hand.
Flush/Straight draw maybe with a pair thrown in would be my guess. I think that read is right at least enough times to make this call profitable.
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Originally Posted by gingerwizard
You want to protect your hand on the flop and price out the draws. I raise to around $10-$12.
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Make your opponents make mistakes by calling for their draws. Raise and raise big.
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Originally Posted by gingerwizard
Flush/Straight draw maybe with a pair thrown in would be my guess. I think that read is right at least enough times to make this call profitable.
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I would guess that read is almost never right. Hed have to be pretty retarded to push a draw when one player is already allin so he cant win by making everyone fold.
To me it looks more like an overprotective TP/Overpair or maybe even a 5 since the raise was so small on the flop.
A set turned FH and a draw would both be pretty silly imo but still possible I suppose.
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make it $13 on the flop and call the turn if he does this IMO.
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I am scared of absolutely nothing on this board. You now have T9 beat. I just don't see a set open pushing the turn after your flop action especially after the board paired making him a lock-hand Add to that you're getting 2.5:1 and it becomes an easy call.
Of course you could've avoided all this by raising the flop to $12-15 straight.
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taipan168
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Thanks everybody for the replies, I agree that I should have raised much more on the flop. Does it make a difference that my minraise put the short stack all in? I think that was my logic behind minraising at the time (probably my flawed tourney thinking again).
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Originally Posted by taipan168
Thanks everybody for the replies, I agree that I should have raised much more on the flop. Does it make a difference that my minraise put the short stack all in? I think that was my logic behind minraising at the time (probably my flawed tourney thinking again).
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you would NEVER play this hand this way in a tourney.
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Originally Posted by taipan168
Thanks everybody for the replies, I agree that I should have raised much more on the flop. Does it make a difference that my minraise put the short stack all in? I think that was my logic behind minraising at the time (probably my flawed tourney thinking again).
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you would NEVER play this hand this way in a tourney. |
You're right, I wouldn't.
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Originally Posted by taipan168
Thanks everybody for the replies, I agree that I should have raised much more on the flop. Does it make a difference that my minraise put the short stack all in? I think that was my logic behind minraising at the time (probably my flawed tourney thinking again).
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you would NEVER play this hand this way in a tourney. |
You're right, I wouldn't. |
we need a loldonkaments smiley to put here...
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