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Old 10-09-2006, 07:38 PM     Post subject: 99, in posn, after being reraised preflop. #1 (permalink)  
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I generally limp 99 in EP, but the table was quite tight except for one player who tended to raise against anyone open-limping (that opp folded behind me this hand).

SB has been very tight. I haven't seen him show down a hand.

Thoughts on my play please - especially the flop check after the big preflop akshun.

Here is my line of thought:
1. Preflop - raise as mentioned. When repopped, I'm thinking of playing for set value.

2. Flop. Hmmm. I have an overpair, but villian checked. WTF. Is he going for a c/r with a big pair? (should I bet this flop?!)

3. Turn. Well, now he's betting out... but I don't think the Jack helped him. With position here I feel ok calling the turn bet with intention of calling a reasonable river bet/checking behind on the river and showing down.

4. River. Well - that wasn't a card I wanted to see. Easy check behind.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($46.55)
UTG ($130.45)
Hero ($98.50)
MP1 ($40.40)
MP2 ($91.45)
MP3 ($97.50)
CO ($99.55)
Button ($51.90)
SB ($202.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 5 folds, SB raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($25) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($25) (2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero calls $15.

River: ($55) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $55
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:56 PM     Post subject: Re: 99, in posn, after being reraised preflop. #2 (permalink)  

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If you think you need a set, then we look at implied odds. We don't look at the money that is in there already.
You need at least $8 x 8 = $64 and your opponent needs at least $8x8 = $64. So with position should be an easy call. Opponent could have popped you with AK, AQ OOP , you should know if they are capable of doing this or not.
Villian is not scared of the J , but scared of the Ace.

With the flush draw out, I'm betting the river cuz he checked and thinks you caught the flush.

When you opponent doesn't want you to bet, you bet.

"Easy check behind" ???
Vs calling station = check
Vs tight passive = $15 river bet = no showdown
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Old 10-09-2006, 08:35 PM #3 (permalink)  
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agree with KB about the river but I don't like your turn call. You got reraised with your nines; you should be thinking TT-AA. You were right to go for the set, but then you forgot the plan and talked yourself into a tight spot.
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Old 10-09-2006, 08:58 PM     Post subject: Re: 99, in posn, after being reraised preflop. #4 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Blinky
SB has been very tight.
Bet the flop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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Old 10-09-2006, 09:29 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 He's likely in c/c reasonable bets mode with AK, don't bet river unless you're willing to overbet. Bet flop when checked to.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:29 AM #6 (permalink)  
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KB: it is pointless to bet the river for $15 as it's too small to fold out hands that have me beat. Also, the Ac on the river makes it impossible that I have something like AcKc which could reasonably lead to my preflop line.

Nutsz, Fnord: Isn't betting the flop here asking to be c/red? Fnord indicated my read about tightness so it seems more likely that he's on a big pair... right?

I will post results after a bit more discussion.
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:15 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Nutsz, Fnord: Isn't betting the flop here asking to be c/red?
Sure makes the hand easy to play from there! Another possiblity is that a bet buys us a free river card when we give it up on the turn. Given the description, I'm thinking he's just a weak-ass full table camper who whiffed with AK/AQ.
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Nutsz, Fnord: Isn't betting the flop here asking to be c/red?
Sure makes the hand easy to play from there! Another possiblity is that a bet buys us a free river card when we give it up on the turn. Given the description, I'm thinking he's just a weak-ass full table camper who whiffed with AK/AQ.
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:59 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I kinda kicked myself for not betting the flop after Opp turned over AK.

Live and learn.
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:47 AM #10 (permalink)  

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You have an overpair, it gets checked to you = Bet. Hard.

His preflop action reeks of big slick. If he repops your flop bet, you can get out knowing you saved money by betting on the flop and not getting caught by his turn and river bets.
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 always bet this flop when checked to
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:02 AM     Post subject: Re: 99, in posn, after being reraised preflop. #12 (permalink)  
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If you think you need a set, then we look at implied odds. We don't look at the money that is in there already.
Sure we do. Add the pot to the lowest of the two stacks, because this is our potential profit.

On the flop, you have two lines to take throughout this hand.

A) Check flop. The check is to induce a bluff from AK or AQ, fold to any A,K, or Q that turns or rivers. Check flop. See 5 community cards with little to no betting = where are we in this hand? Checking masks your hand, but it also masks your opponents hand.

B) Bet flop (take back control of betting). If villain calls flop, he is slowplaying a bigger PP, or drawing to an assortment of AK's. Bet flop, villain c/r, easy fold, we know where we are. Bet flop, villain takes control of betting by either raising or leading, we have a good idea where we are.

Pending the type of player (aggressive/passive), we make our decision. With little reads (250 hands), I lean towards the aggressive option.
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