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Old 12-07-2006, 06:09 AM     Post subject: 88 hits dream flop #1 (permalink)  
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Pre-flop raiser, MP1, is a nit (13/5/2.5 over 300 hands). I haven't tangled with him at all, but he's seen me bully the table a bit, if he's paying attention. Button is laggy and bad.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $58
UTG+1: $168.95
MP1: $123.30
MP2: $36.75
Hero: $161.90
Button: $105.50
SB: $93
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with 8 8
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises to $5.5, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 8 T T ($29, 5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero ???
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Old 12-07-2006, 06:30 AM     Post subject: Re: 88 hits dream flop #2 (permalink)  
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 I'd say swing for the fences and bet whatever you would bet with AK.

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Button is laggy and bad.
This makes me think checking is OK because he may take a stab at it, leaving you in great position to trap a lot of dead money. I have also noticed that checking here in 50NL makes players think their 89 is good, or their 77.
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Old 12-07-2006, 07:02 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 that's not a dream flop my dream flop has an ace in it so that both 77 and AJo can stack off to me



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Old 12-07-2006, 08:55 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 Personally I'd check to let other people either catch up or take stabs at the pot. But by the turn you have come out of cover and start juicing the pot big time though.
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Old 12-07-2006, 10:29 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Button is laggy and bad.
I think argument can be made for c/c
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:51 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 if you have been pushing everyone around how have you been doing it? If you've been betting out having been checked to like this then just carry on as normal whilst pricing in the draws.

If you are captain first bet after every flop then checking seems suspicious and i wouldnt trust it. Just hope someone has a read on you and a reasonable holding.
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 Leading is fine but I think checking is finer given your read on BTN. With so many opps in the hand, even if BTN checks behind, I want to give someone a chance to catch on the turn.



 
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:39 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 just because button is laggy and bad doesn't mean he's bluffing into 4 players for 1/3 of his remaining stack.

I consider checking, not because of button, but just because this is a good spot to slowplay. The pot is swollen, so theres no need to build it. Overpairs usually bet out, so it isn't like were worried about free cards.
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 if button is lagy and bad and caught anything surely if we make a moderate bet he will call allowing our nit to make an overcall with a big pp exercising pot control or just whiffed overs.
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 Since the pot is already 1/4th a full stack there's not much pot building to do so I like a check here.
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Old 12-08-2006, 06:20 AM #13 (permalink)  
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I checked. Turn came 4d. Check to me, I bet $20, everyone folded except MP1 (pre-flop raiser). River came Kc, checked to me, I bet $50, villain folded.

Afterwards I was thinking I should have bet the flop, but maybe I milked everything I could out of it.
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Full Tilt Poker Game #1366814434: Table Bennett (6 max) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:56:36 ET - 2006/12/07
Seat 1: serb2127 ($28,997)
Seat 2: Urindanger ($8,000), is sitting out
Seat 3: Phil Ivey ($106,515)
Seat 4: sbrugby ($46,044)
Seat 5: Luigi66369 ($185,682)
Seat 6: MyRenovatio ($39,940)
MyRenovatio posts the small blind of $200
serb2127 posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Urindanger has returned
Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
Phil Ivey raises to $1,200
sbrugby folds
Luigi66369 raises to $4,000
MyRenovatio folds
serb2127 folds
Phil Ivey calls $2,800
*** FLOP *** [2d 8h 8d]
Phil Ivey checks
Luigi66369 bets $7,200
Phil Ivey raises to $20,800
Luigi66369 has 15 seconds left to act
Luigi66369 raises to $60,800
Phil Ivey raises to $100,800
Luigi66369 raises to $140,800
Phil Ivey calls $1,715, and is all in
Luigi66369 shows [9d Jd]
Phil Ivey shows [8c 8s]
Uncalled bet of $38,285 returned to Luigi66369
*** TURN *** [2d 8h 8d] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [2d 8h 8d Kd] [4c]
Luigi66369 shows a flush, King high
Phil Ivey shows four of a kind, Eights
Phil Ivey wins the pot ($213,627) with four of a kind, Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $213,630 | Rake $3 Board: [2d 8h 8d Kd 4c]
Seat 1: serb2127 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Urindanger is sitting out
Seat 3: Phil Ivey showed [8c 8s] and won ($213,627) with four of a kind, Eights Seat 4: sbrugby didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Luigi66369 (button) showed [9d Jd] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 6: MyRenovatio (small blind) folded before the Flop
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