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Old 01-09-2007, 09:25 PM     Post subject: 88 flop Str8/flush draw facing RR 25NL oh my #1 (permalink)  
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can i get a line check on this? or maybe standard, i hope lol

Opp has previously shown a loose PFR range (mostly weak aces are showdown), postflop is a bit agg yet he c/bs and keeps firing $1 when he has air (or once with a draw and Ace high card). im not at table long but he seemed active preflop too.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($15.35)
MP3 ($9.25)
CO ($56.20)
Button ($6.45)
SB ($6.45)
BB ($24.10)
UTG ($30.45)
Hero ($28.55)
MP1 ($21.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8, 8.
1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.35) 5, 6, 7 (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $2.5, Button folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $28.3
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't hate it, but I think a smaller raise has a better chance of keeping him on the hook. He isn't full-stacked, so I'm willing to felt this on the flop or turn, it's just a question of how to make sure he doesn't fold.
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:58 AM #3 (permalink)  
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so if i was to just bet instead of shove id RR;

1-to $7 with him having $7 remaining
2- to $8 him having $6 remaining

i think unless ive a read that he is retarded (ie he will unknownly commit himself) am i better off not just shoving.

Unless of course your point is if he was full stacked then RR to $8 is goot. if he calls i shove turn if i miss, right??
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Old 01-10-2007, 04:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah, or even to $5. A read helps (is he willing to gamble with his shortstack?). Yes, if he calls a small raise, shove turn.
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:00 PM #5 (permalink)  
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why would we want to get all in vs. a full stack?
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Old 01-10-2007, 10:25 PM #6 (permalink)  
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why would we want to get all in vs. a full stack?
please explain. your thinking IF opp had a full stack here, right??

i wouldnt of shoved if he had a full stack, another RR by me then shove turn is what i think i would of done.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:52 AM #7 (permalink)  
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ya, if he had a full stack then why shove the turn after he calls your pretty strong re-raise on the flop?
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:59 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 lol overvaluements

its barely justifiable to get all in vs 60bb stack, if u were dealing with a 100bb stack youd be in call reasonable bets mode unless you hit a miracle.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:09 AM #9 (permalink)  
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This is a great spot to let him bluff off a bunch of money.
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:07 AM #10 (permalink)  
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lol overvaluements

its barely justifiable to get all in vs 60bb stack, if u were dealing with a 100bb stack youd be in call reasonable bets mode unless you hit a miracle.
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Old 01-11-2007, 08:52 AM #11 (permalink)  
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im a bit confused with consensus here.

Martin,Nutsinho,Fnord-You guys rather call his flop RR and call reasonable bets,ami right?

Zook-rather RR opp RR on flop,shove turn, ok?

i thought since my draw and pair is strong hand then i can play agg here. against a bad loose agg player tho maybe i can let him hang himself therefore i get more chips this way.
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Zook-rather RR opp RR on flop,shove turn, ok?
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Old 01-11-2007, 03:16 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 threebetting this flop is bad. Your straight isn't payable when u hit, your flush probably isn't good when u hit, your top set probably isn't good when u hit, and your hand probably isn't currently the best anyway.

I wouldn't even count this as a str8 and flush draw tbh.
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i thought since my draw and pair is strong...
it's not really that strong though
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Old 01-11-2007, 06:02 PM #15 (permalink)  
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i thought since my draw and pair is strong...
it's not really that strong though
i think revision must be made of my play here (plus the similiar post recently helps)

Martin as played WWYD??

WWYD against full stack?

if you dont mind just summing up
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Old 01-11-2007, 06:11 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Martin as played WWYD??

WWYD against full stack?

if you dont mind just summing up
as played i'd call and try to get as cheap a showdown as possible. i really don't want to pay off 60BB's with this hand. if villain put in a real raise on the flop i'd prob just fold right there. also, vs. a full stack i'd be playing the same way. remember that one card draws (as in your draw only includes 1 of your cards) are usually pretty weak hands. you have the weakest overpair and 2 one card draws. it's not really a hand to get excited about.

EDIT: Just a little side observation of mine...I think it's funny how many players will give absolutely no credit to a player having flopped a flush but will slow down like they ran into a wall if the 3rd flush card comes on the turn/river rather than on the flop. There's still the same chance that those donkeys are playing their beloved suited cards.
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