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Old 04-15-2009, 08:13 AM     Post subject: 67s steal flops flush draw turn hits #1 (permalink)  
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 I'm interested in turn and river comments here

Steal is pretty standard.
Villain seems pretty loose/bad (35-20 after 30 hands), and is likely stinging after a few hands earlier when he 3-bet me with KJ and I called with KK and stacked him on a jack high flop.

He must have some sort of hand to be betting. TPTK? Set? Two pair? Flush draw that hit?
anyway, is a turn re-raise standard for value while I"m ahead? or should I call and let him keep spewing? If I'm scared of an over-flush then I should have been folding the flop. As played river shove is standard?

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Flop: ($7) 4, 2, 10 (2 players)
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Turn: ($19) 8 (2 players)
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River: ($47) J (2 players)
SB bets $40, shove?!?!??!
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:16 AM #2 (permalink)  
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you can't reraise the turn, you can only raise it
you should raise the turn because he's bad
failing that, shove river
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:52 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 I'm guessing he's got 99+.

Raise to ~$40 on the turn, as played though shove river.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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raise turn/shove river

tank turn and think for long time and call / shove river
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Old 04-15-2009, 06:36 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I would probably call turn here about 80% of the time
 
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:01 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm calling the turn and shoving the river. He'll probably pay you off here.
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 How is the steal standard? We have 76s vs. an aggro/loose guy who's pissed at us.
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:40 PM #9 (permalink)  
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How is the steal standard? We have 76s vs. an aggro/loose guy who's pissed at us.
agree.
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Old 04-19-2009, 07:51 AM #10 (permalink)  
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How is the steal standard? We have 76s vs. an aggro/loose guy who's pissed at us.
We have a hand and position with lots of money behind. I'm playing!

For god sakes, online full ring is teaching you some bad habbits.

I would usually just raise it up on the turn, but handing people the rope is a skill I'm working on.

River is a trivial shove.
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Old 04-19-2009, 12:20 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 Def shove river. Do you really think he only calls the river with a better flush? Especially if he has somewhat of a grudge against us.

And yeah, this is still a steal preflop imo. If he is playing back, then we can obviously start calling his 3bets and outplaying him postflop, and a hand like 76s is going to be great for that.

Raising turn isn't bad, but what else are you calling and raising turn with other than bluff or flush?
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Old 04-19-2009, 12:49 PM #12 (permalink)  
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How is the steal standard? We have 76s vs. an aggro/loose guy who's pissed at us.
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YOU HAVE A PLAYABLE HAND AND POSITION. YOU AREN'T STEALING SHIT.

This is the MINIMUM range you should be opening on the button (full ring, figure card bunching effects.)

22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,AT o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

That's the top 23% of hands.

My personal range looks more like this on a tight day, when I get frisky I'll go wider (for better or worse)

22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,5 4s,A7o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o

That's the top 33% of hands.

I play against people who "activly defend their blinds" all the time in loose live games and use those same ranges to MURDER them. What they really mean is that "I'll call your button raise with a bunch of shitty cards, then play them badly even accounting for the fact that I'm out of position." I win soooo many stacks and set-up thin river bets this way. In fact I raise to 4x in live games because I want the pot bigger when they call.
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:56 PM #14 (permalink)  
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How is the steal standard? We have 76s vs. an aggro/loose guy who's pissed at us.
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:17 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Old 04-19-2009, 08:17 PM #16 (permalink)  
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I thought it was pretty funny from the beginning of this thread that the title had "steal" in it, like daven felt he had to qualify his button open with 67s.
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:33 PM #17 (permalink)  
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when i play 15-18 FR tables online like a bot, i sometimes ignore 67s on the button if some loose guys sit in blinds. Is this really bad?
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:10 PM #18 (permalink)  
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when i play 15-18 FR tables online like a bot, i sometimes ignore 67s on the button if some loose guys sit in blinds. Is this really bad?
I raise pretty much all suited hands on the button against full stacks
 
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