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Old 07-14-2006, 06:33 AM     Post subject: 66 flopped top set #1 (permalink)  
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $96.95
UTG+1: $46.97
UTG+2: $116.55
MP1: $192.85
Hero: $100
MP3: $32.90
CO: $114.30
Button: $78.88
SB: $56
BB: $171

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with 6 6
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $3.75, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $6.5, Hero calls, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 6 4 3 ($21, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $12, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: T ($45, 2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $30, MP1 calls.

River: 7 ($105, 2 players)
MP1 is all-in $144.35, Hero calls all-in $51.5.
Uncalled bets: $92.85 returned to MP1.

Results:
Final pot: $208
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Old 07-14-2006, 06:49 AM #2 (permalink)  
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don't bet that amount on the turn if you plan to call a river all in on a bad card. Plan your lines better. This hand is horribly played.

Also don't cold call 6.5bb pre flop with the chance of getting raised out of the pot.
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Old 07-14-2006, 07:16 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Bet more on the flop. I'd probably check behind on the turn, but it's read dependent...
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Old 07-14-2006, 09:28 AM #4 (permalink)  
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slow down on that turn. Bet like 2/3's of that or something.

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Old 07-14-2006, 03:23 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think hero is golden here. The villain reraised preflop to 6.5xBB. I would suspect an AA KK QQ AK. I think it was played fine and you ended up winning. Right?

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Old 07-14-2006, 03:38 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Read on op?

He could have AK-AJ of clubs, TT, or an overpair. I don't think a decent op is going to open push that river.

I think you're in trouble here. Next time bet near pot and then slow down on turn. Pot control is crucial on a crazy board like this.
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Old 07-14-2006, 04:31 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 push teh flop

i dont like calling this reraise here unless you know opps will stack off if you hit.
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Old 07-14-2006, 05:17 PM #8 (permalink)  
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push teh flop

i dont like calling this reraise here unless you know opps will stack off if you hit.
open push the flop!?

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Old 07-14-2006, 05:53 PM #9 (permalink)  
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The Sandwich Effect - Don't call the 6.5 preflop with the original raiser still left to act behind you.

Bet a bit more on the flop to make sure you aren't giving correct implied odds to
a flush draw.
(Because MP1 just called here I think you can rule out AA or KK they would have check raised & tried to take the pot here esp with 2 suits on the board.)
The turn is a potential scare card, for AK,AQ of clubs, he checks you bet 30
a bit too big and now he just calls...
That would send alarm bells ringing, you showed strength on the flop & turn
& he's still in the hand?
The river isn't really a scare card, the cards he needs to be holding to make a straight aren't in line with his pre & post flop play.
His river all in is a pretty clear indication he hit his flush on the turn & let you bet for him & now he's betting the river which is the right play to make in this situation.
Everything about his play reads flush...
Or am I wrong?
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Old 07-14-2006, 06:12 PM #10 (permalink)  
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open push the flop!?
He liked his hand preflop, he isnt going to fold it post flop, we hope therefore push and hope we look stupid and fishy, which we arent.

I also think the flush on thos board isnt important unless you are aainst AKs which would really suck but i guess we lose a stack there.

Opp reraised preflop and its party where the reraise preflop range is pretty tight, mostly limited to AK/AA/KK perhaps QQ imo.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:33 PM #11 (permalink)  
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open push the flop!?
He liked his hand preflop, he isnt going to fold it post flop, we hope therefore push and hope we look stupid and fishy, which we arent.

I also think the flush on thos board isnt important unless you are aainst AKs which would really suck but i guess we lose a stack there.

Opp reraised preflop and its party where the reraise preflop range is pretty tight, mostly limited to AK/AA/KK perhaps QQ imo.
open pushing this flop is terrible. Though surely +EV, it's definitly not the best play.

This is just lazy advice.

You should be the flop becuase you're ahead, there are draws out there that big hands are gonna wanna protect against and all the hands that would check/call your AI push surely will atleast call maybe even check raise you here and now you give a chance for some more speculative hands to make a mistake they'd surely avoid had you pushed.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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Old 07-15-2006, 03:15 PM #12 (permalink)  
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open push the flop!?
He liked his hand preflop, he isnt going to fold it post flop, we hope therefore push and hope we look stupid and fishy, which we arent.

I also think the flush on thos board isnt important unless you are aainst AKs which would really suck but i guess we lose a stack there.

Opp reraised preflop and its party where the reraise preflop range is pretty tight, mostly limited to AK/AA/KK perhaps QQ imo.
open pushing this flop is terrible. Though surely +EV, it's definitly not the best play.

This is just lazy advice.

You should be the flop becuase you're ahead, there are draws out there that big hands are gonna wanna protect against and all the hands that would check/call your AI push surely will atleast call maybe even check raise you here and now you give a chance for some more speculative hands to make a mistake they'd surely avoid had you pushed.
I push here and you hold KK after reraising or even AA for that matter.
Are you not going to call?
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Old 07-15-2006, 03:17 PM #13 (permalink)  
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open push the flop!?
He liked his hand preflop, he isnt going to fold it post flop, we hope therefore push and hope we look stupid and fishy, which we arent.

I also think the flush on thos board isnt important unless you are aainst AKs which would really suck but i guess we lose a stack there.

Opp reraised preflop and its party where the reraise preflop range is pretty tight, mostly limited to AK/AA/KK perhaps QQ imo.
open pushing this flop is terrible. Though surely +EV, it's definitly not the best play.

This is just lazy advice.

You should be the flop becuase you're ahead, there are draws out there that big hands are gonna wanna protect against and all the hands that would check/call your AI push surely will atleast call maybe even check raise you here and now you give a chance for some more speculative hands to make a mistake they'd surely avoid had you pushed.
I push here and you hold KK after reraising or even AA for that matter.
Are you not going to call?
I wouldnt check AA/KK!!!!

Im not argueing that these two hands wont call, im saying that they'd still get their money in there with my line PLUS we give other hands chances to speculate.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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Old 07-15-2006, 03:26 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Betting half the pot on the flop is terrible. Bet at least $18 or so to increase your chances of taking it down on the flop, since there are so many cards that kill your hand and won't allow you to bet or raise with confidence. Try to get your money in when you're sure you have the best hand. I might even overbet all-in since $100NL players don't fold overpairs.
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Old 07-15-2006, 03:31 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Your advice is contradictory.

Push becuase they have an overpair.

Bet strong becuase they have a flush draw.

I'm A not worried about the flush draw since its MP1 who reraised preflop would be sitting on AKcc or AQcc to be drawing for the flush. Hands he'd probably cont bet with OR checkraise with over c/c and B even if they hit, we've got outs to draw back out. and C if they don't have the flush draw and did check an overpair, we're getting all their money in there anyway by betting and giving them the opporunity to spring to life!

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Old 07-15-2006, 04:12 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 oh for gods sake don't cold-call preflop with 66 and we never have this discussion.

fold preflop.
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